If Chuck Norris tells you to jump off a bridge, you should. But naturally he won’t tell you to, and will roundhouse kick you off the bridge instead.
Author | Shlomi Fish |
Work | Chuck Norris Facts by Shlomi Fish and Friends |
rindolf | cantelope: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asperger_syndrome describes me and me alone. there *is* a conspiracy. |
cantelope | Sure, except anything outside of the narrowest mainstream "normal" has a label as being a disorder |
cantelope | And even mainstream behavior, if we don't like you :P |
cantelope | He's obsessed with playing games! Oh, nevermind that he's locked in his room 20 hours a day with just the console |
cantelope | Seems relevant somehow, but he's totally OCD if you ask us |
cantelope | I've said this before, but must I point out that NOT every savant must necessarily be an idiot savant? |
cantelope | Show abnormal aptitude for anything or everything and suddenly we all feel better about ourselves by calling you sick |
cantelope | Go figure |
rindolf | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlot0i3Zykw also describes me, and my physical sex-life amounted to one "rapekiss" |
Natasha8 | >> Taylor Swift - Red |
rindolf | cantelope: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felicia_Day used2be a [female] video games' addict |
rindolf | cantelope: *nod* |
rindolf | there are 3 "the guild" songs on youtube that i like |
rindolf | cantelope: i've been diagnosed with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizoaffective_disorder too; another f**kers obstacle |
cantelope | More like you were diagnosed with an acute failure to kiss ass, amirite? |
rindolf | cantelope: what? |
cantelope | In all the schizo* cases I've seen, the label is attached willy nilly in response to a need to show that *something* was done to address some alleged thing that happened. In other words, when people are difficult and strange, they become targets for that diagnosis, whether it's helpful or not |
rindolf | cantelope: by 'kissing ass', do u mean dispensing flattery? |
cantelope | Yeah, if you had only befriended the alleged victim, the court and/or the shrink... You would be healthy as an ox® |
cantelope | Sadly, this usually involves hurting your own life somehow |
cantelope | World is mad jenky atm |
cantelope | We're on it like a bonnet |
chiselfuse | i'm so done with webshit |
rindolf | chiselfuse: i love the web, but find webdev hard |
rindolf | chiselfuse: https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/philosophy/putting-all-cards-on-the-table-2013/indiv-nodes/machines_that_can_give_questions.xhtml |
Natasha8 | >> Putting all the Cards on the Table (2013) - The Machines That Can Give You Questions |
rindolf | https://tonsky.me/blog/disenchantment/ |
Natasha8 | >> Software disenchantment @ tonsky.me |
cantelope | Heh |
rindolf | https://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/site_loads_quickly.xhtml ; OTOH, a rebuild of my site takes ~4mins |
Natasha8 | >> Shlomi Fish’s FAQ - This site loads so quickly. What is your secret? |
cantelope | Their first mistake is thinking that mediocrity is isolated to software |
cantelope | Modern cars in fact do not "run at 98% efficiency of what's possible". Rather they're very carefully designed to shit the bed within 10 years |
cantelope | Phones, everything pretty much |
rindolf | cantelope: i hate the terresterial consumerism of refrigerators / washing machines / etc |
cantelope | K |
rindolf | many PC XT boxes are still operational |
cantelope | XP? |
rindolf | cantelope: no - XT |
rindolf | 8088 / DOS / etc |
rindolf | cantelope: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Personal_Computer_XT |
cantelope | Yeah, things used to be made to last in general. It was thought that longevity/durability was a selling point, before research indicated ppl are too stupid not to just keep buying disposable crap |
cantelope | Still see plenty of old Volkswagens on the road, for example |
cantelope | Make things break quickly, because it pays. Bravo, capitalism... *slow clap* |
rindolf | https://shlomif-tech.livejournal.com/741.html |
Natasha8 | >> Common Fallacies No. 1: the Broken Window Fallacy: shlomif_tech — LiveJournal |
rindolf | cantelope: ^^ |
cantelope | Yeah I see it. The problem isn't fallacies or greed. These are predictable features of any economic model that overrelies on competition. Competition in fact isn't even the crux of an open market system as were told, but rather freedom to choose, a very different thing |
cantelope | There will be fallacies, and deception and inequity as long as you are at odds with your own neighbors, financially |
cantelope | They are literally your economic adversaries under capitalism.l, and therefore balance is impossible |
cantelope | The margins all become battlegrounds, versus equilibrium as in a cooperative environment |
rindolf | cantelope: my thoughts: https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/philosophy/putting-cards-on-the-table-2019-2020/indiv-nodes/amateur-modelled-commerce.xhtml |
Natasha8 | >> Putting Cards on the Table (2019-*) - Amateur-modelled commerce |
rindolf | Rashad: hi, sup? |
Rashad | rindolf hey |
Rashad | beautiful calm Friday morning |
n0xx | hello |
Rashad | hello n0xx |
Rashad | rindolf sup? |
Rashad | n0xx sup? |
rindolf | Rashad: ah. is it still ramadan? |
rindolf | Rashad: it is my 46th bday |
n0xx | enjoying i'm really enjoying designing databases right now, and whats going on on the other side? :) |
n0xx | yeah |
Rashad | rindolf no Ramadan finished a little while ago |
Rashad | rindolf happy birthday!!!!!! |
n0xx | happy birthday! :) |
rindolf | Rashad: n0xx : thanks |
rindolf | i was effectively born in sep1983 tho |
rindolf | https://twitter.com/shlomif/status/1627138342499352577 |
Natasha8 | >> Shlomi Fish on Twitter: "Someone on IRC told me "you haven't updated your website's style in 50 years". 1973 is before the WWW was invented in 1989. For ref: * https://t.co/l5YzBHEMrL * https://t.co/a7E1uTOtB9" / Twitter |
rindolf | ppl *cannot* be so cruel and dumb. there *is* a conspiracy |
Rashad | stupidity as a conspiracy? 🤔 |
Rashad | interesting |
rindolf | Rashad: see https://twitter.com/shlomif/status/1654136889488687112 |
Natasha8 | >> Shlomi Fish on Twitter: "You claim I became stupid cause I claim this hell isn't real. But I have evidence: https://t.co/qjWOgHq97N . Moreover, these recent creations prove I'm smart: 1) https://t.co/WBvdbxF1j2 ; 2) https://t.co/yg9UhaJx87" / Twitter |
Channel | ##web |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | Reality Lies |
You can never truly appreciate Hamlet until you've read it in the original Klingon. Chuck Norris both wrote the original, and translated it to English.
Author | Shlomi Fish |
Work | Chuck Norris Facts by Shlomi Fish and Friends |
Flock aimed to be the browser for the social web, but I found it the completely antisocial browser.
Author | Shlomi Fish |
Work | Original |
"If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the greater his effort the heavier the world bore down upon his shoulders-what would you tell him to do?"
"I . . . don't know. What . . . could he do? What would you tell him?"
"To shrug."
Author | Ayn Rand |
Work | Atlas Shrugged |
"Philosophy" means "the love of wisdom", and "amateur" means "someone who works for the love of it".
As a result, when I described myself as an "amateur philosopher", there could have been some redundancy.
Author | Shlomi Fish |
Work | @shlomif tweet |
Genetically-speaking, Christina Grimmie isn’t my daughter, but my father's brother's nephew's cousin's former roommate's ex-step-2nd-niece-in-law. ;)
Spiritually and intellectually, she-and-I are family.
Author | Shlomi Fish |
Work | @shlomif tweet |
A woman without a hijab probably won't be arrested in Tehran. But many female Iranians still wear it out of respect.
Judaism has its share of "sexist" discrimination too.
Before she retired, queen Elizabeth II could not wear captioned shirts, while her grandchildren can/could.
We all have different affiliations.
Author | Shlomi Fish |
Work | @shlomif tweet |
A couple of years ago I worked for a medical software development company. I was working on the database development side. (We had our own proprietary object oriented database)
Our database was pretty cool; it could handle an hospital level load on a dual Pentium Pro machine. (Which was a far cry from most big iron machines that were used back then.)
Our medical software side used PowerBuilder (and later VB) to develop the medical applications. To put it mildly, the medical application itself, was by far, slower and heavier then the medical database that it was built upon. While 50 clients could run easily on a Pentium I 90 MHz with 32MB of RAM , the medical application ran like shit on a Pentium I 166 MHz with 64MB of RAM machine!
And every-time we pointed this anomaly to the med team, they claimed that "new machines are bound, new CPUs; by the time we are out, CPU power won't be an issue."
You know what, that med software now runs slower than a dead dog on a top-level Pentium 3 / Pentium 4 / Athlon machine… nothing has changed.
Author | Gilboa Davara |
Work | Linux-IL post |
bubuche87 | Hi |
rindolf | bubuche87: sup? |
bubuche87 | Nothing. And you ? |
rindolf | bubuche87: i'm rereading an old essay of mine: https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/philosophy/putting-all-cards-on-the-table-2013/ |
gamedevbot | Title: Putting all the Cards on the Table (2013) - Shlomi Fish’s Homesite (at www.shlomifish.org) |
cantelope | rindolf: i was all hot and heavy to dive into some juicy philosophy, and what appeared from the link to be a firey confession. So i clicked. The first thing i notices was the site re-kajiggering several times in a spastic adaptation to my mobile device. When it finally settled down, i was staring at a choice of various "format" options, which wholly pushed my prior interest out of mind while i struggled to compute why text on a |
cantelope | webpage would need optional formats. Then as i accepted this was superfluous, i began to scroll, remembering why i was there in the first place. The next thing i saw was a licensing statement, which made me pause again, wondering if i was perhaps committing a crime by visiting the page. Of course i wasnt, but the pause from seeing legal whatnot is a common, unsuppressable reflex. So i FINALLY got to the text which, in the |
cantelope | opening thesis, not only failed to hook my interest, but proudly declared that the subject is admittedly stale, 10+ years old today |
cantelope | bruh |
cantelope | I think a total reboot of your stuff might be good for you |
cantelope | A fresh site, from scratch |
cantelope | With new content and PICTURES maybe |
cantelope | you talk about webp making your site fast but i'll be damned it i saw any webp images |
rindolf | cantelope: i'll reboot your ass ;] |
pulse | 👌 |
rindolf | cantelope: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-never-do-part-i/ |
gamedevbot | Title: Things You Should Never Do, Part I – Joel on Software (at www.joelonsoftware.com) |
rindolf | continued in https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/01/23/rub-a-dub-dub/ |
gamedevbot | Title: Rub a dub dub – Joel on Software (at www.joelonsoftware.com) |
cantelope | I did read a little of it, rindolf. Enough to understand that you regret the level of success/achievement you have (not) reached to date. But here's why: successful people make a habit of SEEKING AND DEVOURING constructive criticism, not rejecting it due to laziness |
HyperKoos | cantelope: Nice review |
pulse | HyperKoos: eventually |
rindolf | cantelope: throwing away a site i workedon4a lifetime is value destruction |
rindolf | cantelope: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTBx-hHf4BE |
gamedevbot | Title: One Tin Soldier - The Original Caste [Original] - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) |
Channel | ##gamedev |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | Not falling for that, fucker TheGamers™ |
Back when I was hospitalised in a closed psychiatric ward, I told one of the fellow inmates: “The privacy here sucks!”.
He replied: “There is no privacy here.”.
Author | Shlomi Fish |
Work | @shlomif tweet |
If the human brain were so simple that we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn’t.
Author | Unknown |
Work | via fortune-mod |
Think you're really righteous? Think you're pure in heart?
Well, I know I'm a million times as humble as thou art!
Author | Weird Al Yankovic |
Work | “Amish Paradise” |
Author | Andy Borowitz (Creator) |
Work | "The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air" |
aindilis | Is there a good RPA / Web Automation tool that works with Perl? I have had a long standing project to create a deliberative softbot to automate lots of tasks, and now with LLMs it's possible for it to read and act on the information it will scrape. |
simcop2387 | aindilis: something like Playwright might be what you want, https://metacpan.org/pod/Playwright |
Paperbot | Link title(s): [ Playwright - Perl client for Playwright - metacpan.org ] |
aindilis | simcop2387: great, ty! |
LeoNerd | I need a name for a module. I've written a thing to do simple command/response or pub/sub over a local probably-unix socket... |
LeoNerd | Because I couldn't find one and was annoyed at that fact |
simcop2387 | LeoNerd: so a very simple RPC type mechanism? |
simcop2387 | IO::Async::RemoteFunction? though that probably isn't it exactly or ::ObjectRemote just to irk mst :) |
LeoNerd | Mmm well it's not based on IO::Async for a start ;) |
* simcop2387 | clutches perls! |
simcop2387 | LeoNerd: what? |
LeoNerd | Future::IO |
aindilis | LeoNerd: I once wrote a interprocess communication system for Perl. is that what you're looking for? |
LeoNerd | No |
aindilis | k |
* jelly | googles playwright vs selenium and does not get any smarter |
aindilis | jelly: is selenium still alive? |
jelly | yes |
aindilis | awesome, yeah I don't know node very well |
rindolf | aindilis: heh, 'people' assume irc, perl, xml, are dead too |
simcop2387 | jelly: they're nearly the same but Playwright is a bit better for working with multiple types of browsers and languages is my understanding |
rindolf | https://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/#computing |
Paperbot | Link title(s): [ Shlomi Fish’s Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) List - Shlomi Fish’s Homesite ] |
aindilis | rindolf: I neither assumed it was dead or alive |
LeoNerd | If its major version number hasn't changed in a while then obviously it's dead |
LeoNerd | If its website hasn't been rewritten with more javascript and more alpha-blended rounded corners, then obviously it's dead |
aindilis | ah, I will tell the AI tha rule |
aindilis | are we back to round corners again? |
LeoNerd | Uh, wait.. what year is it? Oh, no.. sorry, no corners at all. No edges either. |
LeoNerd | All your buttons must be flat plain black text on the exact same white background as the real background so users can't see where the edges of the button are |
LeoNerd | That's how you can tell it's "modern" now |
LeoNerd | Sorry, did I say black on white? I meant grey on a slightly different grey |
rindolf | LeoNerd: heh |
fuzzix | It's like The Net - you have to click a little pi symbol in the corner to get the *real* control panel ... "I'm in" |
simcop2387 | LeoNerd: yea i fscking hate that grey on grey low contrast BS that's been going everywhere |
simcop2387 | fuzzix: "I know this. It's a unix system!" |
LeoNerd | You Nicks? Nope, never heard of him |
rindolf | github++ added underlines to hyperlinks |
LeoNerd | github-- # should never have removed them in the goddamn first place |
rindolf | LeoNerd: https://perl.plover.com/yak/12views/samples/notes.html#sl-9 - 'new versions' |
Paperbot | Link title(s): [ Twelve Views of Mark Jason Dominus ] |
Channel | #perl |
Network | Freenode |
rindolf | https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/17t4kkt/unless_explicitly_specified_otherwise_open_source/ |
gamedevbot | Title: Unless Explicitly Specified Otherwise, Open Source Software With Users Carries Moral Obligations : programming (at www.reddit.com) |
rindolf | sup, y'all? |
rindolf | redditers should understand that downarrow means 'not notable' rather than 'disagree' |
cantelope | it means whatever i want to to mean i im the one clicking it |
cantelope | you're not my dad |
cantelope | if* |
rindolf | cantelope: what if you think it means 'get the death star to blow up Earth'? :p |
cantelope | this is a problem with symbols, be they buttons or words: the meaning is only ever that which is INTENDED BY THE USER, however maddeningly frustrating it may be, to have to do the research |
cantelope | dictionaries and stuff are just helpful ideas as to what the meaning(s) are likely to be, not what they must be necessarily |
cantelope | logic and understanding are hard |
rindolf | https://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/do_you_use_your_sites_to_serve_malware.xhtml |
gamedevbot | Title: Shlomi Fish’s Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) List - Do you use your sites to serve malware? (at www.shlomifish.org) |
cantelope | rindolf: do you know about William Minor? The fellow who basically wrote yhe Oxford English Dictionary from within an insane asylum? It has always been thought as a randomly amusing piece of historical trivia, but i wonder: could he have foreseen the violent implications of his work? Now, we need not do research or proper investigation, with the common understanding that symbols' documented meanings should be the expected |
cantelope | meanings, thererby tearing apart an already confused world |
rindolf | cantelope: there were far earlier dictionaries |
cantelope | yes |
cantelope | but the question remains: did Mr Minor have any idea as to the effect of his work? |
rindolf | cantelope: [[Moreover, note that like the X-files motto goes, “The truths are out there”. The media, including Internet sites, blogs, and social media (and I may err on it too some time), will always emit a lot of static white noise in all directions (for example see my notes about Paris Hilton later), but people can tell the truth. The Bible depicts acts of massacre, adultery, and incest that would seem appalling, and which histori |
rindolf | ans believe were common back then (see e.g: the story Levite’s concubine). Nevertheless, generations of children (and adults) who read it, knew better than to emulate that.]] |
cantelope | we'll be okay, as long as we remember that honesty is a real option |
* rindolf | is now playing: /home/shlomif/Download/Video/Howard Changing Topics To His Space Trip - The Big Bang Theory-dkIEuyEsVgY.mp4 [00:22/00:57] |
cantelope | https://i.imgur.io/NZmv9m6.jpeg |
Channel | ##gamedev |
Network | Freenode |
Insayne | Oh, Hey |
neoncortex | hey. |
Insayne | what's up? |
neoncortex | at the moment, Im contemplating my computer screen, resting. |
neoncortex | just finished my system documentation searching tool, now resting a little to start writing other tools. |
Insayne | ah, cool |
rindolf | neoncortex: hi, i'm reminded of https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/ideas/unixdoc/ |
neoncortex | rindolf: thats interesting, I called my tool nixdoc. |
neoncortex | its much simpler I suppose, it is just a gui that allows you to search, manual pages and info pages, and open them, in pdf. |
rindolf | neoncortex: ah. git url? |
rindolf | neoncortex: i'm trying2repress the memory of GNU info |
rascul | info pages are ok but gnu's info browser is kinda crappy but there exists pinfo which is kinda lynx like |
neoncortex | rindolf: I did not published. I is really simple and I dont know if people would be interested. When you open it, you see this: https://0x0.st/H3Un.jpg . Then you can search a info page, for example: https://0x0.st/H3U5.jpg, then you can position you cursor in any of the results file, click view: https://0x0.st/H3UR.jpg . |
rascul | there's also tkinfo |
neoncortex | same with manpages, with the difference that you can filter by section, also. |
rindolf | https://www.gnu.org/manual/manual.html has ok UX though |
rascul | i generally prefer gnu's html stuff to the info pages |
rascul | well i guess the html stuff is just the info pages as html though |
neoncortex | rascul: hm, tkinfo is interesting, but I do rather read the info pages sequentially, in one document. |
neoncortex | thats why I read them in pdf. |
neoncortex | also goddam apropos, when you search with sections like: apropos -s 1,2 whatever, it does not deliver in order. I fixed that, I do, in the case above, two apropos calls sequentially, and present the results xD |
rindolf | neoncortex: your screenies have a winxp vibe \o/ |
neoncortex | rindolf: its themed with windows xp themes, yes xD |
Slimey | hehe |
neoncortex | it feels alive, not that gray/white blob modern. I remember how ugly I thought windows xp was at the time, but damn, I do rather use that. |
rindolf | neoncortex: https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/show.cgi?id=sharp-perl-modern-web-sites |
neoncortex | rindolf: exactly. |
rocks | tl;dr |
neoncortex | tldr: modern applications are just a white/gray box with black text, look like death. |
neoncortex | like the rindolf link state, sometimes not even black, just less white. |
neoncortex | like, damn, this is not a art project, or a magazine page, it is a tool. |
neoncortex | and thats ironic: to have your white retangle with some text, you need 27 frameworks, and some good memory. |
neoncortex | plan9 can do the same, with 0 overhead xD |
The_Blode | With rounded corners |
BlueyHealer | and it will not display without JS on |
The_Blode | Oh hey |
neoncortex | no, it will not. It does less with more. Amazing. |
The_Blode | Lots of sites simply do not work without JS. |
BlueyHealer | ye but some have no excuse for such behavior |
neoncortex | yeah, I just click the back button, generally. |
The_Blode | Yep just to get the analytics for their own purposes |
The_Blode | I wonder if someone has / is developing some application that can translate a website into a useable "clean" version |
The_Blode | Using clean JS code |
The_Blode | Detoxify websites if you will |
The_Blode | I guess you can block certain JS script but it would be nice to have a tool do it all |
neoncortex | that is one thing that is in back of my mind for a time. You need a proxy web translator. Something that will interpret a modern web page, and present a sane version. There is a project, that uses webkit, read the page, and translates it into images, with clickable links, and all. It was made for old machines with ancient browsers to browse the web. |
The_Blode | Oldweb? |
neoncortex | I dont remember the name. Im searching my notes, I think I wrote something about it. |
The_Blode | Yeah, I'm aware of that project...but I believe it takes archive.org pages and makes them "usable" |
The_Blode | Maybe I could look into creating something too :) it might be a nice thing to have. |
neoncortex | found it in my notes: webkit-rendering-proxy, https://github.com/tenox7/wrp |
The_Blode | Interesting! Thank you |
neoncortex | =D |
The_Blode | One for BlueyHealer |
The_Blode | But I'll also give this a go |
The_Blode | Yeah...I believe I have seen this before. |
rocks | You could always just get a non-old computer. Centralizing processing of some page rendering still means it has to happen somewhere |
The_Blode | Or not...this is what the Oldweb is using -> https://webrecorder.net/ |
neoncortex | rocks: sure, but it is even more secure, since you have a web interpreting server, that, in case of bugs or whatever, will not infect your machine. |
neoncortex | you are basically insulated from it. |
rocks | I think it has been forever since the last time I was infected by a web site |
neoncortex | rocks: I never crashed a car, and yet I use the seat belt. To be fair, the police would ticket me, but still xD |
neoncortex | I crashed a motorcycle, but thats another story. |
neoncortex | my current setup include firejailing web browsers, but that wrp would be even better. |
rocks | -EPARANOIA |
neoncortex | ha |
rocks | If you really believe that web services are a threat, you would keep them on a completely separate system to other things you care about |
rocks | Not rely on just more layers of technology as a comfort blanket |
neoncortex | that may be the next step, yes. |
neoncortex | but firejail with -private is good. |
neoncortex | err, --private |
neoncortex | pressed the wrong button ¬_¬ |
Channel | ##Linux-offtopic |
Network | Freenode |
* Klinda | (~loren@2a0e:418:46a8:0:f8e3:2575:a15c:8d85) has joined |
Klinda | demib0y, if you use xml the google search does it rank you low? |
rindolf | Klinda: hi. What do you mean /? |
rindolf | XHTML5? |
rindolf | brwser-side XSLT? |
Klinda | I don't know I am not good in web development |
rindolf | Klinda: https://github.com/shlomif/Freenode-programming-channel-FAQ/blob/master/FAQ_with_ToC__generated.md#why-should-i-learn-how-to-program-properly |
Klinda | rindolf, you like to post links instead of talking ahah |
demib0y | hi Klinda |
demib0y | Klinda, do you mean, if you use some arbitrary XML vocabulary rather than XHTML, does your Web site show up lower in Google results? |
demib0y | if so, likely yes, because Google won't know how to generate snippet results |
demib0y | the Google Web crawler does not seem to run XSLT |
demib0y | as a result, server-side transformations are generally better. |
Klinda | xhtml is html ? |
demib0y | it's HTML represented in XML |
demib0y | so e.g. you can run XSLT or XQuery on it in the Web server, and also serve it up to google's bot and to browsers |
rindolf | demib0y: server-side or SSGed |
rindolf | demib0y: and thx4helping |
Klinda | demib0y, is it just a conversion to make think are you using html to google? |
dodobrain | Klinda, it is a lot easier to interpret is what he is saying. and thats what goog will do. use the simplest/fastest/least_resource_hungry method(s) to parse/interpret/rank/etc. |
Klinda | but why do you have a particular thing about xml vs html? |
dodobrain | pure xml would mean it can contain anything! (i mean you have your own custom elements, etc. with xhtml your known elements are limited in scope and atleast goog's parser/whatever is able to interpret it (mostly?) |
dodobrain | what do you mean by your question? i'm not understanding it |
Klinda | I think here you prefer bulding site with xml instead of html |
dodobrain | really? what gave you that impression? |
dodobrain | xml isnt so popular for serving webpages |
Klinda | because you are on #xml |
Klinda | for what propuse are you here ? XD |
dodobrain | xml is used for a lot more things than just "building sites" |
Klinda | like what? |
dodobrain | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML#Applications |
dodobrain | mainly for data exchange.. you know your json, i hope? well, json is useless because there is no schema definition on it |
Klinda | json it's cool |
dodobrain | there is json-schema but its not as elegant as xml schemas |
Klinda | xml what offers more |
dodobrain | with xml, the dtds and schemas and other xml files are *all* xml files themselves |
dodobrain | validation and transformation is better on xml |
Klinda | I guess I should try it to understand |
dodobrain | anyway, i'm not sure what your objective is. i consider myself an xml noob who hasnt used xml (directly or indirectly) for a long while (prolly 7 years or so) |
dodobrain | others here can explain and help you better i'm sure |
rindolf | Klinda: https://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/why_xml.xhtml |
dodobrain | Klinda, given a json blob and say you want to extract data out of it, the way to do it is to write a program to extract the data out. now if the data you need to extract needs to change, you edit your program or rewrite it from scratch |
dodobrain | with xml input files, you define the operations needed to do the extraction and never actually write a program directly but you specify the operations that need to happen to extract/transform the data you need |
dodobrain | and the beautiful thing about this is that list of operations you write is itself an xml file! so you can run validations/etc. on your transformation operations themselves :) |
Klinda | is it popular to do or not? |
Klinda | or all use json? |
rindolf | Klinda: sorry if i'm too blunt, but you need to be less wilfully ignorant and lazy to be educable here |
Klinda | I don't care about web development, I will be an ai engineer btw, I can't be jesus chirst |
rindolf | Klinda: then why did u ask about google-indexing? |
Klinda | I want to build a personal site or maybe sites which uses ml models |
rindolf | Klinda: ml = machine-learning? |
Klinda | yes |
Klinda | I have to study react.js and a back-end like flask/django/ I think |
rindolf | Klinda: generating sites using ML sounds like spamming |
Klinda | what do you mean? |
rindolf | Klinda: what isn't clear? |
Klinda | spamming in what sense? |
Klinda | I said that as backend has a model in which users can interact with it |
rindolf | Klinda: spammming as in "generating lots of low-quality, non-original, often non-functional, content" |
Klinda | why not? |
Klinda | ai will be the next big thing ahah |
Klinda | much better than just being a slave and work as backend and frontend |
Klinda | I don't see how one can have a degree and do a web dev |
Klinda | you can do also without |
Klinda | also nasa is going to use ai |
Klinda | only you, you don't like it ahah |
rindolf | Klinda: something is wrong in your english comprehension |
rindolf | Klinda: "[lots of] low-quality, non-original, often non-functional, content" isn’t a good thing |
Klinda | for you is bad |
Klinda | I am studying in a master of ai |
Klinda | and you want to make me cry I did a wrong stuff? |
Klinda | ahah |
Klinda | cool part |
rindolf | Klinda: [[Is a certain software technology good just because I heard that NASA uses it? |
rindolf | NASA is large (and has a large budget) and has been around for many decades, and so uses many different technologies, some of them may not be too recommended in the general case. While the Python homepage used to proclaim that "NASA uses Python", with a photo of an astronaut, and it is technically true, it was largely marketing built on common ignorance. |
rindolf | Among the other technologies that NASA has used are: |
rindolf | Fortran |
rindolf | COBOL |
rindolf | VAX |
rindolf | Forth |
rindolf | Assembly |
rindolf | Perl 5 |
rindolf | Windows, MS Word, and MS Outlook |
rindolf | Note that we do not mean to imply that Python or whatever are bad just because NASA uses them, just that you should not use that fact as an argument in their favour.]] |
Klinda | try next time |
Klinda | https://www.spaceappschallenge.org/2023/challenges/ |
Klinda | I partecipate to this |
Channel | #xml |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | I didn’t have enough natural stupidity so I'm seeking a much greater artificial one |
4 Hackability
There is one thing more important than brevity to a hacker: being able to do what you want. In the history of programming languages a surprising amount of effort has gone into preventing programmers from doing things considered to be improper. This is a dangerously presumptuous plan. How can the language designer know what the programmer is going to need to do? I think language designers would do better to consider their target user to be a genius who will need to do things they never anticipated, rather than a bumbler who needs to be protected from himself. The bumbler will shoot himself in the foot anyway. You may save him from referring to variables in another package, but you can't save him from writing a badly designed program to solve the wrong problem, and taking forever to do it.
Author | Paul Graham |
Work | Being Popular |