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Freenode ##programming Conversations - (Fortunes Cookies) Shlomi Fish's Collection
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The Fortunes Themselves
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| rindolf | ljuwaidah: so aren't there more people who use FOSS in Oman? |
| ljuwaidah | there are, but they're only a few |
| rindolf | ljuwaidah: ah. |
| rindolf | Oman has .om as its TLD. |
| rindolf | .om .nom .nom |
| rindolf | p.om p.om |
| rindolf | kabo.om |
| rindolf | DJB got the cr.yp.to domain. |
| rindolf | And there's also ali.as which is Adam Kennedy's. |
| ljuwaidah | looool |
| ljuwaidah | rand.om :P |
| ljuwaidah | do.om :P |
| ljuwaidah | ro.om |
| ljuwaidah | m.om |
| Black_Phoenix | your.m.om |
| ljuwaidah | hahahaha |
| ljuwaidah | is that supposed to be a milf site? :P |
| rindolf | yahoo.c.om |
| ljuwaidah | bro.om |
| rindolf | http://yourmom.com/ |
| rindolf | Though it's down now. |
| ljuwaidah | don't keep your hopes up on .om domains |
| ljuwaidah | our ISP is a greedy money sucker |
| rindolf | "I'd rather be a .com than a .om" |
| ljuwaidah | rindolf: me too |
| rindolf | ljuwaidah: this was a joke. |
| rindolf | I have a few .org domains. |
| rindolf | From GoDaddy |
| ljuwaidah | unless you need it for a domain trick |
| * Black_Phoenix | <--- .com bastard here |
| ljuwaidah | rindolf: where's the joke? |
| rindolf | ljuwaidah: joke? |
| rindolf | ljuwaidah: it rhymes. |
| rindolf | dot-com, dot-om - get it? get it? get it? |
| rindolf | ;-) |
| ljuwaidah | no :( |
| rindolf | ljuwaidah: om rhymes with com. |
| ljuwaidah | so? |
| rindolf | ljuwaidah: "I'd rather be a dot-com than a dot-om" |
| rindolf | ljuwaidah: it's just a silly rhyme. |
| Black_Phoenix | I'd rather a website |
| rindolf | Black_Phoenix: I accidentally a web-site. |
| ljuwaidah | I still don't get the joke |
| Black_Phoenix | rindolf, I'd still rather a blog |
| rindolf | Black_Phoenix: rather what a blog? |
| Black_Phoenix | Website a blog |
| rindolf | ljuwaidah: never mind. |
| ljuwaidah | sorry, I don't know why I'm slow today |
| rindolf | Black_Phoenix: do you mean that you would rather *be* a web-site? |
| Black_Phoenix | I'd rather website a blog |
| Black_Phoenix | broken grammar time :D |
| ljuwaidah | Black_Phoenix: when did website become a verb? |
| Black_Phoenix | it didn't |
| Black_Phoenix | I'm using it as a verb to produce nonsense |
| ljuwaidah | I sense light! |
| ljuwaidah | {I see} |
| rindolf | ljuwaidah: http://www.google.com.om/ |
| ljuwaidah | rindolf: I know |
| rindolf | If Google can do it - so can you. |
| ljuwaidah | I don't use it |
| ljuwaidah | 'cause some services don't work on it |
| rindolf | ljuwaidah: ah. |
| rindolf | ljuwaidah: in any case, seems like one can register a .com.om domain. |
| Channel | ##programming |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | The .om domain |
With what to write code?
| Quetzalcoatl_ | How do I write a computer vision program in C on a microcontroller? |
| dyf | Quetzalcoatl_: with a text editor? |
| Quetzalcoatl_ | Hmm.. Never thought of that. But which editor? Is Notepad good enough? |
| mauke | no, you need at least Wordpad |
| rindolf | mauke: I suggest MS Word or at least OpenOffice.org |
| rindolf | mauke: but in order to really be able to write well, you need a desktop publishing program like Scribus or Adobe FrameMaker. |
| * rindolf | wonders which compiler will accept PDFs as input. |
| waiting | rindolf: /usr/bin/pdftotext |
| rindolf | waiting: and pray. |
| rindolf | There's an estoric programming language called Piet (I think) that accepts images as input. |
| Channel | ##programming |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | How to write stylistic code |
Your Emacs is so fat
| rindolf | Deiu: which editor are you using? |
| Deiu | Ugh, let me catch up with the convo first |
| Deiu | And yeah, I use vim too |
| rindolf | Deiu: ah good. If you were using Eight Megabytes And Continuously Swapping , I would have to swap you with it! |
| rindolf | I have a column of vim tips on one of my blogs. |
| rindolf | I also like Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift. |
| rindolf | There are a lot of jokes about Emacs. |
| Zuu | There are lots of jokes about your mom too ;) |
| rindolf | Zuu: eMom |
| Zuu | eh? |
| rindolf | e-Macs -> eMum |
| rindolf | "Your Mom is so fat, only Emacs takes more memory than her." |
| Zuu | nope, doesnt work |
| rindolf | Zuu: :-( |
| Zuu | Your emacs is so fat that your mom could fit in it |
| rindolf | Heh. |
| Zuu | ahhh, yes, much better |
| rindolf | Zuu++ |
| Zuu | :P |
| →dbm | has joined ##programming |
| * rindolf | stores some key/value pairs in dbm |
| * Zuu | stores some moms in dbm |
| dbm | lol |
| rindolf | Zuu: you overflowed him. |
| Zuu | :> |
| dbm | ;) |
| rindolf | Or her, don't know. |
| rindolf | them. |
| dbm | 'him' |
| rindolf | OK. |
| rindolf | dbm: I don't recall your nick. |
| dbm | dbm= dont bother me |
| rindolf | don't be mean. |
| dbm | ;) |
| Zuu | or: do bother me |
| Channel | ##programming |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Your Emacs is so fat |
Why XSLT is so evil?
| →xmler | has joined ##programming |
| xmler | Hi |
| xmler | How can I do <a href="$variable">blah</a> in XSLT? |
| rindolf | xmler: you can use <xsl:attribute> |
| rindolf | xmler: or use ${...} |
| rindolf | xmler: have you read the Zvon XSLT tutorial? |
| xmler | rindolf: I've read various resources; perhaps it's the fault of XML::XSLT on CPAN |
| rindolf | xmler: use XML::LibXSLT instead. |
| rindolf | It's faster and better. |
| Zuu | <insert mean statement about XSLT> |
| Zuu | :) |
| rindolf | "XSLT is the work of Satan" |
| rindolf | "It's the worst thing since non-sliced bread." |
| Zuu | Hahaha :D |
| rindolf | "Mothers used to tell their children about XSLT to scare them." |
| xmler | Haha |
| Zuu | That last one is good |
| xmler | XSLT seems pretty cool |
| Zuu | xmler, no no, that's not mean |
| Zuu | you're doing it wrong |
| Zuu | :P |
| xmler | XSLT is too cool to be mean to :p |
| Zuu | Hehe |
| rindolf | "XSLT is the number one cause of programmers' suicides since Visual Basic 1.0" |
| tommy_the-dragon | lol |
| Zuu | :> |
| Zuu | I could believe in that |
| rindolf | "The X in XSLT stands for eXtermination." |
| rindolf | "XSLT makes the baby jesus cry." |
| rindolf | "The only things worse than XSLT are Excel and sugarless tea." |
| tommy_the-dragon | rofl |
| * Zuu | kinda likes Excel |
| rindolf | Zuu: yes, it was a joke. |
| Zuu | Noooh! |
| Zuu | they are all true! |
| rindolf | Now I'm out of ideas. |
| Zuu | i havent even had a single idea yet.. |
| rindolf | "XSLT is what Chuck Norris has nightmares of." |
| Zuu | Whoah! |
| Zuu | wait.. that would somehow make XSLT cooler than Chuck Norris... |
| Zuu | Chuck Norris dont have mightmares |
| rindolf | "Confucius e says: 'XSLT made me realise humanity was hopeless." |
| Zuu | "Even APL wont make friends with XSLT" |
| Zuu | yay, i maded one! |
| rindolf | "God considered using XSLT as the tenth plague of Egypt, but thought it was too evil." |
| rindolf | Zuu: :-) |
| Zuu | Haha :D |
| Zuu | that plauge one is awesome |
| rindolf | "In Soviet Russia, XSLT codes you. Badly!" |
| rindolf | "Satan condemned Hitler for a million years of writing XSLT" |
| rindolf | OK, back to work. |
| rindolf | C - not XSLt. |
| Zuu | :) |
| rindolf | "The KGB used to torture their victims by having them look at scrolling XSLT code" |
| xmler | rindolf: lol, love the KGB + XSLT one |
| xmler | rindolf: by the way, what's with the XSLT hate by the way, is it some kind of meme? :p |
| * Zuu | gives xmler an XSLT interpreter written in XSLT |
| Jck_true | I wanna make ASM code from XSLT |
| rindolf | "My name is Inigo Montoya. You forced my father to write XSLT. Prepare to die! And be thankful I don't force you to write XSLT." |
| xmler | Ah for gawd's sake. Can't install XML::LibXML, it says I don't have libxml2 (I do) |
| rindolf | xmler: do you have the -devel package? |
| rindolf | xmler: what is your distro? |
| rindolf | OS distro I mean. |
| xmler | rindolf: Debian 4.0 |
| xmler | Ooh, perhaps I don't actually |
| rindolf | xmler: ok, then apt-get install libxml-libxslt-perl |
| * Zuu | have to go o/ |
| rindolf | xmler: maybe we should discuss it on #perl? |
| rindolf | Zuu: bye |
| rindolf | Zuu: and beware of stray XSLT code. |
| Zuu | I will :P |
| rindolf | Zuu: OK. |
| xmler | rindolf: sure, uno memento :) |
| Channel | ##programming |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Chuck Norris is out! XSLT is in! |
Introducing dazjorz to Zuu
| dazjorz | rindolf! |
| dazjorz | areth thou here? |
| rindolf | Hi dazjorz |
| dazjorz | :) |
| rindolf | dazjorz: yes, I are here. |
| dazjorz | isn't it kind of weird to have a programming channel when there are language specific channels around? |
| Zuu | Muhah! |
| rindolf | dazjorz: this is about programming in general. |
| rindolf | At least theoretically. |
| rindolf | And VB.NET questions. |
| joeyadams | Well, ##programming is a good place to ask C questions and actually get helpful answers :) |
| dazjorz | rindolf: did you intentionally make it look like vb.net is not programming? |
| rindolf | dazjorz: meet Zuu - he's into Windows and D and stuff. |
| dazjorz | ! |
| rindolf | dazjorz: no. |
| rindolf | dazjorz: VB.NET is programming. |
| dazjorz | hey Zuu, I'm dazjorz, I'm into linux and c and stuff. |
| rindolf | But it has its own channel. |
| Zuu | :> |
| dazjorz | rindolf: I've been thinking about changing nicks |
| rindolf | dazjorz: ah. so did I. |
| * Zuu | is into everything sane, except the boring stuff |
| rindolf | dazjorz: to what? |
| dazjorz | rindolf: my current one is waaaay too lame, but "sjors" is probably too generic |
| rindolf | dazjorz: I like dazjorz |
| dazjorz | rindolf: I don't, because when people see my name is sjors, da zjorz is just too lame to bear |
| dazjorz | rindolf: I was thinking about sjors, or some three-letter abbreviation of my name, sjg or so |
| Zuu | how about.... 'carrot' ? |
| dazjorz | I think I do prefer dazjorz over carrot |
| Zuu | no worries, i promise not to stuff you up rindolf's tomato nose |
| Zuu | hum :< |
| dazjorz | Zuu: when I first read your nick on Shlomi's site five minutes ago, I asked him whether you were a mix between Zorix and Buu |
| dazjorz | do you know the two? |
| rindolf | Zoffix and buu. |
| Zuu | nope |
| dazjorz | uh zoffix yeah |
| dazjorz | Zuu: okay, well, you don't know them, but believe me, I'm glad you're not a mix of the two, that would be horrible :P |
| Zuu | im a mix of much worse personalities im sure |
| Zuu | most of them just happen to cancel each other out |
| Channel | ##programming |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Introudcing dazjorz to Zuu |
Reindeers, Tomatoes and Nicks
| rindolf | dazjorz: I considered switching my default nick to "shlomif", because that's how most people know me. |
| dazjorz | rindolf: yeah, it's your alternative nick now right? |
| rindolf | dazjorz: but then XChat2 reverted to the old nick and I was too lazy. |
| unreal | You seem to have many, well, stupid friends, rindolf :P |
| rindolf | dazjorz: yes, I have it registered. |
| rindolf | unreal: stupid? |
| Zuu | rindolf, noo! what to do about the tomato then? fish dont have big tomato noses! |
| rindolf | Zuu: fish? |
| rindolf | Zuu: I'll give you a tomoato. |
| Zuu | good question |
| rindolf | I'll give you the tomato back. |
| Zuu | where do i get fish from |
| Zuu | no no, keep it :D |
| rindolf | Zuu: my last name is Fish. |
| * tommy_the-dragon | slaps zuu with a fish |
| tommy_the-dragon | there ya go |
| dazjorz | rindolf: I just registered 'sjors' |
| * rindolf | gives a fish to Zuu |
| dazjorz | rindolf: as a nick. |
| Zuu | rindolf, thats just absurd, a reindeer with 'fish' as surname... |
| Zuu | your parents must have hated you |
| rindolf | Open source: "everyone contributes a fish, and in exchange everyone gets their own ocean." |
| rindolf | dazjorz: ah, cool. |
| Zuu | tommy_the-dragon, does dragons eat other animals, like fish? |
| unreal | Ocean == Big Momma's Bath? |
| rindolf | Zuu: I'm not a reindeer - I just play one on T.V. |
| tommy_the-dragon | not fish... |
| tommy_the-dragon | just reindeers |
| Zuu | tommy_the-dragon, what about fake TV reindeers ? |
| Zuu | Nice :D |
| rindolf | unreal: no, the whole enchilada. |
| rindolf | tommy_the-dragon: LOL. |
| tommy_the-dragon | and enchiladas |
| dazjorz | rindolf: I know someone whose nick is Stonehead, he made his three-letter acronym stn, but usually it's letters from the first name |
| dazjorz | uh |
| dazjorz | the full name |
| dazjorz | yours could be shf for example, and everybody would know "hey, that's shlomi" |
| dazjorz | but I'm at most sg, so I need to borrow another letter somewhere, or make it daz or just sjors |
| * dazjorz | thinks |
| tommy_the-dragon | my cat eats flies... |
| rindolf | dazjorz: I hate these three letter acronyms. |
| Zuu | shlomi really sounds like some dish made of reindeer |
| tommy_the-dragon | but hes lucky because i dont eat cats |
| rindolf | Zuu: heh. |
| unreal | heh |
| rindolf | tommy_the-dragon: I didn't know dragons had cats. |
| dazjorz | what's the name of the red-nosed reindeer again? |
| Zuu | it sounds edible at least |
| dazjorz | oh rudolf :) |
| rindolf | dazjorz: Randolph. |
| dazjorz | oh |
| unreal | I used to have a friend whos nick was "crap" |
| rindolf | unreal: wow. |
| dazjorz | <someguy> crap, someone stole my bicycle |
| dazjorz | <crap> ok? |
| rindolf | dazjorz: heh. |
| dazjorz | rindolf: why don't you like the three-letter acronyms? |
| rindolf | dazjorz: often too confusing. |
| rindolf | dazjorz: and two easy to mistype. |
| rindolf | dazjorz: and not too memorable. |
| unreal | LIS. |
| dazjorz | three easy to mistype, I think |
| rindolf | And often hard to pronounce. |
| dazjorz | maybe I'll just go with sjors |
| rindolf | too easy. Freudian. |
| rindolf | dazjorz: yes, I think that's a good idea. |
| unreal | (Lies, I say!) |
| dazjorz | hehe, rindolf++ # freudian |
| Zuu | or you could pick something girly and hope people will treat you nicer :) |
| rindolf | dazjorz: have you played with the farnsworth bot yet? |
| rindolf | Zuu: RinGirl |
| rindolf | Though nicks with "Girl " in them tend to draw too much attention. |
| Zuu | nah, it cant contain 'girl' that just seems fake |
| dazjorz | rindolf: I have |
| dazjorz | rindolf: remind me to fix knotify, khtml, and quassel :( |
| rindolf | dazjorz: nice. |
| rindolf | dazjorz: using MemoServ? |
| dazjorz | rindolf: the bugs annoy me, a lot, but I never get around to actually trying to fix them |
| rindolf | Zuu: maybe I should call myself "shlomi". Americans will think I'm a girl. |
| Zuu | yeah, it kinda have a girlish sound to it |
| dazjorz | rindolf: call yourself shloma, dutch people will think you're over sixty and female |
| rindolf | dazjorz: heh. |
| dazjorz | let me rephase that |
| dazjorz | dutch people will think you're female... and over sixty |
| dazjorz | (oma = grandma) |
| rindolf | dazjorz: ah. |
| unreal | kloot. |
| rindolf | In Hebrew nouns that end with "ah" tend to be feminine. |
| dazjorz | shlomah? |
| rindolf | Seriously now, if I change my nick it will be to shlomif. |
| dazjorz | let's change our nicks at the same time |
| rindolf | Well, in Shlomi's case it would be Shlomith. |
| dazjorz | I will be sjors, you will be shlomif |
| rindolf | dazjorz: OK. |
| * rindolf | is now known as shlomif |
| dazjorz | shit, now I have to |
| Zuu | what does shlimif even mean ? |
| * dazjorz | is now known as sjors |
| sjors | Zuu: shlomi = his first name, f = the first letter of his last name |
| shlomif | sjors: hi. |
| shlomif | Zuu: shlomi fish. |
| sjors | hi shlomif |
| shlomif | Hi sjors |
| tommy_the-dragon | where does rindolf come into it? |
| shlomif | sjors: my nick is longer than yours. |
| Zuu | oh lol, and i just said his name sound girly :P |
| * Zuu | pat pats shlomif ^^ |
| shlomif | tommy_the-dragon: Rindolf was a dwarven warrior I played in AD&D. |
| tommy_the-dragon | ahh ok |
| * shlomif | gives Zuu his tomato back. |
| Zuu | :< |
| shlomif | Since I'm no longer a reindeer. |
| sjors | shlomif: that's just to compensate against something you have that's way shorter than mine |
| shlomif | sjors: LOL. |
| shlomif | sjors++ |
| Zuu | Erhmm.. shlomif! how come there's this big hole in it? |
| tommy_the-dragon | sorry... |
| tommy_the-dragon | my bad |
| Zuu | Hehe |
| * shlomif | doesn't like raw tomatoes. |
| shlomif | But I eat them with pasta, etc. |
| shlomif | Or as meat sauce. |
| Zuu | or in sandwiches |
| shlomif | sjors: anyway, welcome to ##programming |
| Zuu | or on reindeer nose |
| shlomif | sjors: I'll probably revert to "rindolf" after next disconnect. |
| shlomif | Zuu: after you cook the entire reindeer. |
| * shlomif | is a reindeer cannibal. |
| shlomif | Well, rindolf is. |
| Zuu | yes, but he ran away |
| shlomif | I also like dried and olive oiled tomatoes. |
| sjors | shlomif: I just changed my clients' settings to reconnect as sjors, too |
| shlomif | Well, I think I'll go to sleep. |
| shlomif | sjors: ah. |
| sjors | shlomif: it'll probably take a while to "adapt" to sjors instead of dazjorz |
| shlomif | sjors: well, enjoy your new nick. |
| sjors | and I still have dazjorz.com, and not sjors.anything |
| * Zuu | tugs shlomif in |
| sjors | thanks ;) |
| shlomif | Zuu: thanks. |
| * Zuu | quicly squeeses a fresh tomato onto shlomif's nose |
| sjors | shlomif: sjors.biz and sjors.mobi at most |
| * shlomif | doesn't have rindolf.{com,org,net} etc. |
| shlomif | sjors: maybe sjors.in |
| shlomif | I got a shlom.in |
| sjors | sjors.indahou.se |
| shlomif | sjors: heh. |
| sjors | sjors.ac, sjors.ag, sjors.am, sjors.at |
| sjors | hehe sjors.me |
| sjors | sjors.pl, too bad i don't really do perl anymore |
| shlomif | sjors: there's also .sh |
| sjors | sjors.sh, too bad I don't really do shell script a lot |
| shlomif | Or .im |
| sjors | sjors.tv, too bad I don't really watch.. |
| tommy_the-dragon | do you own a mobile? |
| shlomif | .tv are pretty costly. |
| sjors | meh I don't like sjors. anyway, so I'll just keep dazjorz for everything |
| tommy_the-dragon | yeah whats with that (the price of .tv)? |
| shlomif | tommy_the-dragon: it's the foundation of the economy of Tuvaly. |
| Channel | ##programming |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Reindeers, Tomatoes and Normalising Nicks |
SNAFU Cake
| * rindolf | tries to think what can cause the KDE 4 SNAFU on his user. |
| rindolf | And hopefully to avoid bissecting the KDE 4 config tree. |
| Zuu | snafu... that wounds like a delicious cake :D |
| Zuu | *sounds |
| rindolf | Zuu: Situation Normal - All F****ed up. |
| Zuu | :/ |
| * Zuu | gives the snafu cake to Dmage :D |
| Zuu | Dmage, just eat the cake already |
| Dmage | Zuu, are you hate my english? ;) |
| Zuu | i hate your non-english |
| Black_Phoenix | I english your hate |
| Dmage | xD |
| Zuu | Dmage, but i dont hate you! :D |
| Black_Phoenix | and now I can do that |
| Dmage | Zuu, learn russian then! :) |
| Zuu | Hehe |
| Zuu | Dmage, i think you'd hate my russion far more than i would ever hate your english |
| rindolf | Spasiva. |
| Dmage | xD |
| Dmage | learn 'Eto huinya!' |
| * Zuu | steals the snafu cake back from Dmage and gives it to rindolf instead |
| Dmage | and apply everywhere |
| * rindolf | eats the SNAFU cake |
| Zuu | :D |
| * rindolf | eats Zuu's Danish too. |
| Zuu | Noooh! |
| * rindolf | loves Zuu's Danish. |
| rindolf | Yum yum. |
| Zuu | tis mine! |
| Zuu | My daaaanish :'( |
| rindolf | My precioussssssssss! |
| Zuu | tis gone :< |
| Channel | ##programming |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | SNAFU Cake |
What is Qantor?
| rindolf | What should I do now? |
| rindolf | I'll work on Text-Qantor. |
| rindolf | It's so great not to have a job. |
| Zuu | yeah, if someone else pays for the food it sure is :D |
| Zuu | also, i dont really understand much of what you just told me :P |
| * Zuu | puts a stick into the Text-Qantor |
| rindolf | Zuu: Qantor == Qantor ain't no TeX/Troff oh really. |
| rindolf | It's a typesetting system I'm working on. |
| * Zuu | hates the name |
| Zuu | it makes me kinda mad actually :/ |
| rindolf | Zuu: :-) |
| rindolf | Zuu: maybe it will grow on you. |
| rindolf | Zuu: some people I know named a browser suckass. |
| Zuu | :( |
| rindolf | I refused to work on it. |
| Zuu | see that's a name! |
| rindolf | Zuu: heh. |
| Zuu | i didnt mean that btw :) |
| Zuu | suckass is kinda... unkind |
| rindolf | OK, now I should write an http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/facts/XSLT/ transformation. |
| rindolf | I'll start from something I already have. |
| Zuu | But the "X ain't no <something related>" is just a lame naming convention imho |
| Zuu | yeah, work on some XSLT facts :D |
| rindolf | Zuu: just call it Qantor then. |
| rindolf | Without the mnemonics. |
| Zuu | but anyone interrested will learn that it's an abbreviation |
| Zuu | just by the fact that it's recursive makes me want to kill myself a little bit more :P |
| rindolf | Zuu: do me a break and kill yourself. |
| Zuu | :> |
| rindolf | Less Zuus - more grass for evil reindeers like me to feed on. |
| Channel | ##programming |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | What is Qantor? |
Turing Hard
| rindolf | Pythack now was able to get the fc-solve test suite up and running. |
| Zuu | eh?! |
| * Zuu | solves rindolf |
| rindolf | Zuu: http://fc-solve.berlios.de/ |
| rindolf | Zuu: I am not solvable. |
| rindolf | I am Turing hard. |
| Zuu | :S |
| * Zuu | never heard of anything called 'turing hard' |
| joeyadams | lol. Zuu's probabilistic, so maybe he can solve you. |
| Zuu | but i guess i have now |
| joeyadams | Formal definition of Turing hard: blah blah blah hard blah blah Turing blah. |
| Zuu | Hahahaha :D |
| joeyadams | Wikipedia: Given a set X in P(N), a set A in N is called Turing hard for X if X <=_T A for all X in X. If additionally A is in X, then A is called Turing complete for X. |
| joeyadams | Does that clarify? |
| joeyadams | (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_reduction for the actual math symbols) |
| * joeyadams | assumes you get the point |
| Zuu | yeah, i think i'll have to put significant time into that, for me to comprehend it :) |
| Zuu | but maybe i will, some day :P |
| joeyadams | My point is that people like to use mumbo jumbo to describe more concise mumbo jumbo. |
| joeyadams | E.g. A problem is NP-hard if it is at least as hard as all the problems in NP. |
| Zuu | i undersstand enough of it, to be fairly confident that rindolf being turing hard, will not say much about his ability to be solved |
| joeyadams | I'm guessing Turing-hard means you can't solve a problem with a Turing machine (e.g. the halting problem) |
| joeyadams | (substitute Turing machine with "your computer" :) ) |
| Zuu | no, turing hard has something to do with expressiveness |
| joeyadams | okay, Zuu > joeyadams, so I can't help you :) |
| * Zuu | tickles joeyadams ^^ |
| joeyadams | A delicious apple is any fruit ∈ apple that is at least as tasty as any other fruit ∈ apple. |
| joeyadams | In other words, apples are in the set of recursively nommable fruits. |
| rindolf | joeyadams: what's up? |
| joeyadams | I'm babbling. |
| rindolf | joeyadams: Apple is one of my least favourite fruits. |
| * Zuu | watches a number of apples that recursively NOM's eathother |
| rindolf | It tends to be too commonplace. |
| rindolf | Or simpleton. |
| joeyadams | whoops, my logic is incorrect |
| joeyadams | Only delicious apples are ∈ the nommable fruits. |
| joeyadams | (recursively is just a word you throw in to sound smart) |
| * Zuu | NOMs joeyadams :> |
| rindolf | joeyadams: a friend of one of my sisters said that Apple is his favourite fruit. |
| rindolf | Ta-zuu! |
| * joeyadams | has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection nommed by peer)) |
| Zuu | yeah, unfortunately a lot of people throw with a lot of words to sound smart :/ |
| Zuu | my favourite fruit is a recursive banana! |
| joeyadams | although it certainly helps to use complex terminology to solve complex problems. As Aristophanes said, "High thoughts must have high language." |
| Zuu | .. along with immutable polymorphic pears |
| joeyadams | Zuu> I guess you have to peel it indefinitely? |
| joeyadams | lol |
| Zuu | Hahah, yeah :P |
| joeyadams | I tend to eat bananas in deterministic polynomial time. |
| Zuu | i eat them in linear time, but uses exponential space |
| joeyadams | lol |
| rindolf | Heh. |
| joeyadams | eww |
| Channel | ##programming |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Turing Hard |
The Ultimate ##programming Showdown
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| ljuwaidah | yo ecere!! |
| Zuu | yay, life :) |
| * Zuu | tickles ljuwaidah |
| * ljuwaidah | punches zuu in the face |
| * Zuu | starts crying :'( |
| rindolf | Fight! |
| rindolf | Fight! Fight! |
| * Zuu | runs home to mommy |
| rindolf | Let's get ready to rumble!!! |
| * ljuwaidah | punches rindolf in the face |
| ljuwaidah | for encouraging the fight, that is |
| Zuu | hehe |
| * rindolf | uses his Evil Antlers to summon a squadron of Chuck Norrises. |
| Zuu | oh my! |
| * rindolf | unleashes the Chuck Norrises upon ljuwaidah |
| * ljuwaidah | uses his anti-chuck-norrise spell |
| Zuu | those anterls must be the most evil thing in the entire universe |
| Zuu | *antlers |
| rindolf | ljuwaidah: your spell only works on one chuck norris at a day. |
| rindolf | And I have 119 more. |
| rindolf | Finish him! |
| Zuu | i wonder what will happen if one Chuck Norris accidently punches another |
| ljuwaidah | rindolf: then lemme use my duplication spell to make more of myself so THEY can use the spell |
| rindolf | ljuwaidah: heh. |
| rindolf | ljuwaidah++ |
| ljuwaidah | thanks :D |
| rindolf | ljuwaidah: two can play this game. |
| * rindolf | runs his recursive copying spell making lots of Evil rindolf reindeers exponentially. |
| rindolf | Like Bacteria. |
| ljuwaidah | darn! i didn't see that coming |
| ljuwaidah | but you also forgot that if _I_ can duplicate myself then so can my duplicates B-) |
| Channel | ##programming |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | The Ultimate ##programming Showdown |
ispy Emulating a Clueless Newbie
| →ispy_ | has joined ##programming |
| ispy_ | hi gang. |
| ispy_ | I'm a n00b programmer and think I should learn A and B before C, right? |
| std_orb | ispy_: General understanding should come before that. |
| ispy_ | std_orb: I have no idea what I'm doing... |
| std_orb | ispy_: I can see that |
| * ispy_ | kicks the dirt... |
| tommy_the-dragon | ive been meaning to get into it |
| ispy_ | Is C like JavaScript? |
| ispy_ | Same thing right? |
| tommy_the-dragon | ispy_: lol |
| rindolf | ispy_: Perl is more like C than JS is. |
| ispy_ | rindolf: Never heard of Perl... I should google that. |
| rindolf | ispy_: use Bing search instead. |
| rindolf | Or Altavista. |
| Terminus | rindolf: i see. |
| ispy_ | rindolf, std_orb, tommy_the-dragon ... thanks for the pointers :) |
| rindolf | ispy_: you should learn Intercal, it's the most expressive language possible. |
| ispy_ | rindolf: Sounds exciting! |
| Terminus | intercal... lol! |
| ispy_ | haha |
| ispy_ | ok ok ok... I can't continue this... I'm practically laughing my ass off at my desk. |
| rindolf | :-) |
| ispy_ | hehe |
| Channel | ##programming |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | Emulating a Clueless Newbie |
What kind of animal is Zuu?
| Zuu | Hai all |
| rindolf | Zuu: hai hai. |
| rindolf | Zuu: what's up , kit? |
| rindolf | Zuu: or what are you , I forgot? |
| Zuu | Hai rindolf :D |
| rindolf | I am a reindeer. |
| rindolf | But also a Llama. |
| rindolf | And a cat. |
| Zuu | I'm a Zuu |
| rindolf | And a fish naturally. |
| rindolf | Zuu: ah , OK. |
| Zuu | :D |
| * rindolf | creates a Zoo of Zuus |
| Zuu | ^^ |
| rindolf | Are you the master Zuu? |
| rindolf | Like Q is the master of the Q's in Star Trek? |
| Zuu | i think im the only Zuu |
| rindolf | Oh, one of a kind. |
| Zuu | Which is kinda sad really :( |
| Zuu | Who am i supposed to mate with? |
| rindolf | Reminds me of http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Blue-Rabbit-Log/ideas.xhtml |
| rindolf | Though I need to add that part. |
| rindolf | Let me do it now. |
| Zuu | whatever webserver you use, it doesnt provide the right mimetype... At least IE 8 dont attempt to render the document |
| rindolf | Zuu: you cannot using IE 8 |
| rindolf | Zuu: you need Firefox. |
| rindolf | Zuu: it's application/xml+xhtml |
| rindolf | Or Opera. |
| Zuu | well, it indeed is the right mimetype... stupid IE |
| Zuu | well, my FF crashed, so i just use IE when that happens |
| rindolf | Zuu: ah. |
| rindolf | FF crashed? |
| rindolf | How strange. |
| rindolf | Maybe you have a bad plugin. |
| Zuu | It does that around 6 times a day |
| rindolf | Not an extension - a plugin. |
| rindolf | Ah, really. |
| rindolf | Something is wrong in the Zuuniverse. |
| rindolf | Or Zuumputer. |
| Zuu | nah, i suspect one of the tabs are just doing some strange stuff |
| Zuu | memory leaking javascript ro something like that |
| Zuu | it is kinda starting to annoy me |
| Zuu | but with 90 - 120 tabs, it would take quite a while to find out what tab it is |
| Zuu | you might consider starting your articles, or whatever this is, with an introduction telling what it's about |
| rindolf | Zuu: http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Blue-Rabbit-Log/ideas.xhtml#the-angry-demon |
| rindolf | Zuu: it's not an article - these are random ideas for a screenplay. |
| rindolf | Zuu: but I'll write an intro. |
| Zuu | start the page with "Here are some of my random ideas for a screen play im writing:" |
| Zuu | at LEAST! |
| Zuu | you cant just jump right into something without giving _any_ indication ow what the reader can expect |
| Zuu | it simply doesnt make any sense as it is now |
| Zuu | you could just as well have posted a log of ljuwidah talking :P |
| rindolf | Zuu: thanks. |
| Zuu | :) |
| rindolf | Zuu: http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Blue-Rabbit-Log/ideas.xhtml#intro |
| rindolf | Interactive Web! |
| Zuu | i think you have forgottoen to define the #intro anchor |
| rindolf | Zuu: reload. |
| rindolf | Zuu: it's there. |
| Zuu | hah, caches... :P |
| Zuu | :D |
| rindolf | Pesky things. |
| rindolf | Evil reindeers don't like caches. |
| rindolf | Neither do cats. |
| rindolf | I'm an evil reindeer but a good cat. |
| Zuu | Hehe |
| rindolf | Don't know how it works. |
| rindolf | I guess good and evil are relative. |
| rindolf | Or actually I wore a helmet of alignment change. |
| Channel | ##programming |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | What kind of animal is a Zuu? |
Meaning of the Zuu species
| Zuu | Hi rindolf :) |
| rindolf | Hi Zuu |
| rindolf | Zuu: I've been thinking that maybe you can find some corresponding Zuus of the appropriate sex in a different dimension. |
| Zuu | hmmm... interresting! |
| rindolf | Zuu: are you a heterosexual Zuu or a homosexual one? |
| Zuu | Im not sure what sex I am. |
| rindolf | Zuu: ah. |
| Zuu | :P |
| rindolf | Zuu: you can look. |
| rindolf | Zuu: in the mirror or something. |
| rindolf | Zuu: don't you have obligatory genders in Danish/ |
| rindolf | ? |
| rindolf | Like in German, French, etc. |
| rindolf | Or Hebrew and Arabic. |
| Zuu | obligatory genders? |
| Zuu | you mean, the genders in linguistics? |
| * Zuu | never understood those |
| Zuu | but Danish have two i believe, and if i remember correctly there is female and 'none' |
| rindolf | Zuu: yes, genders in linguistics. |
| Zuu | i dont remember what which is which though :P |
| rindolf | Like in Hebrew "Haben Halakh lagan" - the boy went to the garden. "Habath Halkha lagan" - "The girl went to the garden" |
| c_sphere | That almost sounds like allah akbar |
| Zuu | rindolf, no we dont distinct between the genders of the subject in the danish language |
| Zuu | our nouns have genders though |
| c_sphere | zuu-nina? |
| Zuu | like 'house' is one gender and 'car' is another |
| rindolf | Zuu: of course the question is - what language do Zuus speak natively? |
| c_sphere | rindolf: Of course, Zuu speaks Zuu! |
| rindolf | Zuuish? |
| c_sphere | The Zulu population also does not speak Zuluish, just Zulu. |
| Zuu | so if you want to say 'the house' its 'huse_t_' and if you want to say 'the car' its 'bile_n_' |
| rindolf | c_sphere: Arnavoth (sounds like an Aztec god) is "Hares" (the Rabbit-like mammal) in Hebrew. |
| rindolf | Zuu: can you understand Swedish? |
| c_sphere | Aemeth |
| Zuu | rindolf, some :) |
| rindolf | Zuu: ah. |
| Zuu | swedish branched from danish afaik |
| Zuu | same with norwegian |
| Zuu | yes, Zuu's speak Zuuish nativley :P |
| * rindolf | is listening to Hans Zimmer - Jack Sparrow |
| rindolf | Zuu: ah. |
| Zuu | Zuuish have few words, all of which is based on words about cake from othre languages :P |
| Zuu | c_sphere, are you by any chance related to s_cube ? |
| rindolf | Zuu: ah, what do you use the Hebrew word "עוגיה" (= `ugiyah, cookie) for? |
| rindolf | "Chocolate chip pie crust marmalade marzipan cookie yum yum!" |
| Zuu | i use it for cookies baked from a hebrew recipe :P |
| rindolf | What does it mean in Zuuish? |
| Zuu | it's hard to really say something in Zuuish... al you can really do is say something equivalent to "COOKIES!!" |
| Zuu | or "YAY CAKE!" |
| Zuu | basically, you can only express excitement over different kinds of cakes :P |
| rindolf | Zuu: do Zuus eat anything except cakes or cookies? |
| Zuu | There was this one time... |
| Zuu | wait.. no. That was someone else. |
| Channel | ##programming |
| Network | Freenode |
| Tagline | What can a Zuu do? |
