Freenode ##programming Conversations - (Fortunes Cookies) Shlomi Fish’s Collection

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The Fortunes Themselves

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rindolf ljuwaidah: so aren't there more people who use FOSS in Oman?
ljuwaidah there are, but they're only a few
rindolf ljuwaidah: ah.
rindolf Oman has .om as its TLD.
rindolf .om .nom .nom
rindolf p.om p.om
rindolf kabo.om
rindolf DJB got the cr.yp.to domain.
rindolf And there's also ali.as which is Adam Kennedy's.
ljuwaidah looool
ljuwaidah rand.om :P
ljuwaidah do.om :P
ljuwaidah ro.om
ljuwaidah m.om
Black_Phoenix your.m.om
ljuwaidah hahahaha
ljuwaidah is that supposed to be a milf site? :P
rindolf yahoo.c.om
ljuwaidah bro.om
rindolf http://yourmom.com/
rindolf Though it's down now.
ljuwaidah don't keep your hopes up on .om domains
ljuwaidah our ISP is a greedy money sucker
rindolf "I'd rather be a .com than a .om"
ljuwaidah rindolf: me too
rindolf ljuwaidah: this was a joke.
rindolf I have a few .org domains.
rindolf From GoDaddy
ljuwaidah unless you need it for a domain trick
* Black_Phoenix <--- .com bastard here
ljuwaidah rindolf: where's the joke?
rindolf ljuwaidah: joke?
rindolf ljuwaidah: it rhymes.
rindolf dot-com, dot-om - get it? get it? get it?
rindolf ;-)
ljuwaidah no :(
rindolf ljuwaidah: om rhymes with com.
ljuwaidah so?
rindolf ljuwaidah: "I'd rather be a dot-com than a dot-om"
rindolf ljuwaidah: it's just a silly rhyme.
Black_Phoenix I'd rather a website
rindolf Black_Phoenix: I accidentally a web-site.
ljuwaidah I still don't get the joke
Black_Phoenix rindolf, I'd still rather a blog
rindolf Black_Phoenix: rather what a blog?
Black_Phoenix Website a blog
rindolf ljuwaidah: never mind.
ljuwaidah sorry, I don't know why I'm slow today
rindolf Black_Phoenix: do you mean that you would rather *be* a web-site?
Black_Phoenix I'd rather website a blog
Black_Phoenix broken grammar time :D
ljuwaidah Black_Phoenix: when did website become a verb?
Black_Phoenix it didn't
Black_Phoenix I'm using it as a verb to produce nonsense
ljuwaidah I sense light!
ljuwaidah {I see}
rindolf ljuwaidah: http://www.google.com.om/
ljuwaidah rindolf: I know
rindolf If Google can do it - so can you.
ljuwaidah I don't use it
ljuwaidah 'cause some services don't work on it
rindolf ljuwaidah: ah.
rindolf ljuwaidah: in any case, seems like one can register a .com.om domain.
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode
Tagline The .om domain

With what to write code?

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Quetzalcoatl_ How do I write a computer vision program in C on a microcontroller?
dyf Quetzalcoatl_: with a text editor?
Quetzalcoatl_ Hmm.. Never thought of that. But which editor? Is Notepad good enough?
mauke no, you need at least Wordpad
rindolf mauke: I suggest MS Word or at least OpenOffice.org
rindolf mauke: but in order to really be able to write well, you need a desktop publishing program like Scribus or Adobe FrameMaker.
* rindolf wonders which compiler will accept PDFs as input.
waiting rindolf: /usr/bin/pdftotext
rindolf waiting: and pray.
rindolf There's an estoric programming language called Piet (I think) that accepts images as input.
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode
Tagline How to write stylistic code

Your Emacs is so fat

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rindolf Deiu: which editor are you using?
Deiu Ugh, let me catch up with the convo first
Deiu And yeah, I use vim too
rindolf Deiu: ah good. If you were using Eight Megabytes And Continuously Swapping , I would have to swap you with it!
rindolf I have a column of vim tips on one of my blogs.
rindolf I also like Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift.
rindolf There are a lot of jokes about Emacs.
Zuu There are lots of jokes about your mom too ;)
rindolf Zuu: eMom
Zuu eh?
rindolf e-Macs -> eMum
rindolf "Your Mom is so fat, only Emacs takes more memory than her."
Zuu nope, doesnt work
rindolf Zuu: :-(
Zuu Your emacs is so fat that your mom could fit in it
rindolf Heh.
Zuu ahhh, yes, much better
rindolf Zuu++
Zuu :P
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* rindolf stores some key/value pairs in dbm
* Zuu stores some moms in dbm
dbm lol
rindolf Zuu: you overflowed him.
Zuu :>
dbm ;)
rindolf Or her, don't know.
rindolf them.
dbm 'him'
rindolf OK.
rindolf dbm: I don't recall your nick.
dbm dbm= dont bother me
rindolf don't be mean.
dbm ;)
Zuu or: do bother me
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode
Tagline Your Emacs is so fat

Why XSLT is so evil?

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→xmler has joined ##programming
xmler Hi
xmler How can I do <a href="$variable">blah</a> in XSLT?
rindolf xmler: you can use <xsl:attribute>
rindolf xmler: or use ${...}
rindolf xmler: have you read the Zvon XSLT tutorial?
xmler rindolf: I've read various resources; perhaps it's the fault of XML::XSLT on CPAN
rindolf xmler: use XML::LibXSLT instead.
rindolf It's faster and better.
Zuu <insert mean statement about XSLT>
Zuu :)
rindolf "XSLT is the work of Satan"
rindolf "It's the worst thing since non-sliced bread."
Zuu Hahaha :D
rindolf "Mothers used to tell their children about XSLT to scare them."
xmler Haha
Zuu That last one is good
xmler XSLT seems pretty cool
Zuu xmler, no no, that's not mean
Zuu you're doing it wrong
Zuu :P
xmler XSLT is too cool to be mean to :p
Zuu Hehe
rindolf "XSLT is the number one cause of programmers' suicides since Visual Basic 1.0"
tommy_the-dragon lol
Zuu :>
Zuu I could believe in that
rindolf "The X in XSLT stands for eXtermination."
rindolf "XSLT makes the baby jesus cry."
rindolf "The only things worse than XSLT are Excel and sugarless tea."
tommy_the-dragon rofl
* Zuu kinda likes Excel
rindolf Zuu: yes, it was a joke.
Zuu Noooh!
Zuu they are all true!
rindolf Now I'm out of ideas.
Zuu i haven’t even had a single idea yet..
rindolf "XSLT is what Chuck Norris has nightmares of."
Zuu Whoah!
Zuu wait.. that would somehow make XSLT cooler than Chuck Norris...
Zuu Chuck Norris dont have mightmares
rindolf "Confucius e says: 'XSLT made me realise humanity was hopeless."
Zuu "Even APL wont make friends with XSLT"
Zuu yay, i maded one!
rindolf "God considered using XSLT as the tenth plague of Egypt, but thought it was too evil."
rindolf Zuu: :-)
Zuu Haha :D
Zuu that plauge one is awesome
rindolf "In Soviet Russia, XSLT codes you. Badly!"
rindolf "Satan condemned Hitler for a million years of writing XSLT"
rindolf OK, back to work.
rindolf C - not XSLt.
Zuu :)
rindolf "The KGB used to torture their victims by having them look at scrolling XSLT code"
xmler rindolf: lol, love the KGB + XSLT one
xmler rindolf: by the way, what's with the XSLT hate by the way, is it some kind of meme? :p
* Zuu gives xmler an XSLT interpreter written in XSLT
Jck_true I wanna make ASM code from XSLT
rindolf "My name is Inigo Montoya. You forced my father to write XSLT. Prepare to die! And be thankful I don't force you to write XSLT."
xmler Ah for gawd's sake. Can't install XML::LibXML, it says I don't have libxml2 (I do)
rindolf xmler: do you have the -devel package?
rindolf xmler: what is your distro?
rindolf OS distro I mean.
xmler rindolf: Debian 4.0
xmler Ooh, perhaps I don't actually
rindolf xmler: ok, then apt-get install libxml-libxslt-perl
* Zuu have to go o/
rindolf xmler: maybe we should discuss it on #perl?
rindolf Zuu: bye
rindolf Zuu: and beware of stray XSLT code.
Zuu I will :P
rindolf Zuu: OK.
xmler rindolf: sure, uno memento :)
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode
Tagline Chuck Norris is out! XSLT is in!

Introducing dazjorz to Zuu

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dazjorz rindolf!
dazjorz areth thou here?
rindolf Hi dazjorz
dazjorz :)
rindolf dazjorz: yes, I are here.
dazjorz isn't it kind of weird to have a programming channel when there are language specific channels around?
Zuu Muhah!
rindolf dazjorz: this is about programming in general.
rindolf At least theoretically.
rindolf And VB.NET questions.
joeyadams Well, ##programming is a good place to ask C questions and actually get helpful answers :)
dazjorz rindolf: did you intentionally make it look like vb.net is not programming?
rindolf dazjorz: meet Zuu - he's into Windows and D and stuff.
dazjorz !
rindolf dazjorz: no.
rindolf dazjorz: VB.NET is programming.
dazjorz hey Zuu, I'm dazjorz, I'm into linux and c and stuff.
rindolf But it has its own channel.
Zuu :>
dazjorz rindolf: I've been thinking about changing nicks
rindolf dazjorz: ah. so did I.
* Zuu is into everything sane, except the boring stuff
rindolf dazjorz: to what?
dazjorz rindolf: my current one is waaaay too lame, but "sjors" is probably too generic
rindolf dazjorz: I like dazjorz
dazjorz rindolf: I don't, because when people see my name is sjors, da zjorz is just too lame to bear
dazjorz rindolf: I was thinking about sjors, or some three-letter abbreviation of my name, sjg or so
Zuu how about.... 'carrot' ?
dazjorz I think I do prefer dazjorz over carrot
Zuu no worries, i promise not to stuff you up rindolf's tomato nose
Zuu hum :<
dazjorz Zuu: when I first read your nick on Shlomi's site five minutes ago, I asked him whether you were a mix between Zorix and Buu
dazjorz do you know the two?
rindolf Zoffix and buu.
Zuu nope
dazjorz uh zoffix yeah
dazjorz Zuu: okay, well, you don't know them, but believe me, I'm glad you're not a mix of the two, that would be horrible :P
Zuu im a mix of much worse personalities im sure
Zuu most of them just happen to cancel each other out
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode
Tagline Introudcing dazjorz to Zuu

Reindeers, Tomatoes and Nicks

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rindolf dazjorz: I considered switching my default nick to "shlomif", because that's how most people know me.
dazjorz rindolf: yeah, it's your alternative nick now right?
rindolf dazjorz: but then XChat2 reverted to the old nick and I was too lazy.
unreal You seem to have many, well, stupid friends, rindolf :P
rindolf dazjorz: yes, I have it registered.
rindolf unreal: stupid?
Zuu rindolf, noo! what to do about the tomato then? fish dont have big tomato noses!
rindolf Zuu: fish?
rindolf Zuu: I'll give you a tomoato.
Zuu good question
rindolf I'll give you the tomato back.
Zuu where do i get fish from
Zuu no no, keep it :D
rindolf Zuu: my last name is Fish.
* tommy_the-dragon slaps zuu with a fish
tommy_the-dragon there ya go
dazjorz rindolf: I just registered 'sjors'
* rindolf gives a fish to Zuu
dazjorz rindolf: as a nick.
Zuu rindolf, thats just absurd, a reindeer with 'fish' as surname...
Zuu your parents must have hated you
rindolf Open source: "everyone contributes a fish, and in exchange everyone gets their own ocean."
rindolf dazjorz: ah, cool.
Zuu tommy_the-dragon, does dragons eat other animals, like fish?
unreal Ocean == Big Momma's Bath?
rindolf Zuu: I'm not a reindeer - I just play one on T.V.
tommy_the-dragon not fish...
tommy_the-dragon just reindeers
Zuu tommy_the-dragon, what about fake TV reindeers ?
Zuu Nice :D
rindolf unreal: no, the whole enchilada.
rindolf tommy_the-dragon: LOL.
tommy_the-dragon and enchiladas
dazjorz rindolf: I know someone whose nick is Stonehead, he made his three-letter acronym stn, but usually it's letters from the first name
dazjorz uh
dazjorz the full name
dazjorz yours could be shf for example, and everybody would know "hey, that's shlomi"
dazjorz but I'm at most sg, so I need to borrow another letter somewhere, or make it daz or just sjors
* dazjorz thinks
tommy_the-dragon my cat eats flies...
rindolf dazjorz: I hate these three letter acronyms.
Zuu shlomi really sounds like some dish made of reindeer
tommy_the-dragon but hes lucky because i dont eat cats
rindolf Zuu: heh.
unreal heh
rindolf tommy_the-dragon: I didn't know dragons had cats.
dazjorz what's the name of the red-nosed reindeer again?
Zuu it sounds edible at least
dazjorz oh rudolf :)
rindolf dazjorz: Randolph.
dazjorz oh
unreal I used to have a friend whos nick was "crap"
rindolf unreal: wow.
dazjorz <someguy> crap, someone stole my bicycle
dazjorz <crap> ok?
rindolf dazjorz: heh.
dazjorz rindolf: why don't you like the three-letter acronyms?
rindolf dazjorz: often too confusing.
rindolf dazjorz: and two easy to mistype.
rindolf dazjorz: and not too memorable.
unreal LIS.
dazjorz three easy to mistype, I think
rindolf And often hard to pronounce.
dazjorz maybe I'll just go with sjors
rindolf too easy. Freudian.
rindolf dazjorz: yes, I think that's a good idea.
unreal (Lies, I say!)
dazjorz hehe, rindolf++ # freudian
Zuu or you could pick something girly and hope people will treat you nicer :)
rindolf dazjorz: have you played with the farnsworth bot yet?
rindolf Zuu: RinGirl
rindolf Though nicks with "Girl " in them tend to draw too much attention.
Zuu nah, it cant contain 'girl' that just seems fake
dazjorz rindolf: I have
dazjorz rindolf: remind me to fix knotify, khtml, and quassel :(
rindolf dazjorz: nice.
rindolf dazjorz: using MemoServ?
dazjorz rindolf: the bugs annoy me, a lot, but I never get around to actually trying to fix them
rindolf Zuu: maybe I should call myself "shlomi". Americans will think I'm a girl.
Zuu yeah, it kinda have a girlish sound to it
dazjorz rindolf: call yourself shloma, dutch people will think you're over sixty and female
rindolf dazjorz: heh.
dazjorz let me rephase that
dazjorz dutch people will think you're female... and over sixty
dazjorz (oma = grandma)
rindolf dazjorz: ah.
unreal kloot.
rindolf In Hebrew nouns that end with "ah" tend to be feminine.
dazjorz shlomah?
rindolf Seriously now, if I change my nick it will be to shlomif.
dazjorz let's change our nicks at the same time
rindolf Well, in Shlomi's case it would be Shlomith.
dazjorz I will be sjors, you will be shlomif
rindolf dazjorz: OK.
* rindolf is now known as shlomif
dazjorz shit, now I have to
Zuu what does shlimif even mean ?
* dazjorz is now known as sjors
sjors Zuu: shlomi = his first name, f = the first letter of his last name
shlomif sjors: hi.
shlomif Zuu: shlomi fish.
sjors hi shlomif
shlomif Hi sjors
tommy_the-dragon where does rindolf come into it?
shlomif sjors: my nick is longer than yours.
Zuu oh lol, and i just said his name sound girly :P
* Zuu pat pats shlomif ^^
shlomif tommy_the-dragon: Rindolf was a dwarven warrior I played in AD&D.
tommy_the-dragon ahh ok
* shlomif gives Zuu his tomato back.
Zuu :<
shlomif Since I'm no longer a reindeer.
sjors shlomif: that's just to compensate against something you have that's way shorter than mine
shlomif sjors: LOL.
shlomif sjors++
Zuu Erhmm.. shlomif! how come there's this big hole in it?
tommy_the-dragon sorry...
tommy_the-dragon my bad
Zuu Hehe
* shlomif doesn't like raw tomatoes.
shlomif But I eat them with pasta, etc.
shlomif Or as meat sauce.
Zuu or in sandwiches
shlomif sjors: anyway, welcome to ##programming
Zuu or on reindeer nose
shlomif sjors: I'll probably revert to "rindolf" after next disconnect.
shlomif Zuu: after you cook the entire reindeer.
* shlomif is a reindeer cannibal.
shlomif Well, rindolf is.
Zuu yes, but he ran away
shlomif I also like dried and olive oiled tomatoes.
sjors shlomif: I just changed my clients' settings to reconnect as sjors, too
shlomif Well, I think I'll go to sleep.
shlomif sjors: ah.
sjors shlomif: it'll probably take a while to "adapt" to sjors instead of dazjorz
shlomif sjors: well, enjoy your new nick.
sjors and I still have dazjorz.com, and not sjors.anything
* Zuu tugs shlomif in
sjors thanks ;)
shlomif Zuu: thanks.
* Zuu quicly squeeses a fresh tomato onto shlomif's nose
sjors shlomif: sjors.biz and sjors.mobi at most
* shlomif doesn't have rindolf.{com,org,net} etc.
shlomif sjors: maybe sjors.in
shlomif I got a shlom.in
sjors sjors.indahou.se
shlomif sjors: heh.
sjors sjors.ac, sjors.ag, sjors.am, sjors.at
sjors hehe sjors.me
sjors sjors.pl, too bad i don't really do perl anymore
shlomif sjors: there's also .sh
sjors sjors.sh, too bad I don't really do shell script a lot
shlomif Or .im
sjors sjors.tv, too bad I don't really watch..
tommy_the-dragon do you own a mobile?
shlomif .tv are pretty costly.
sjors meh I don't like sjors. anyway, so I'll just keep dazjorz for everything
tommy_the-dragon yeah whats with that (the price of .tv)?
shlomif tommy_the-dragon: it's the foundation of the economy of Tuvaly.
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode
Tagline Reindeers, Tomatoes and Normalising Nicks

SNAFU Cake

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* rindolf tries to think what can cause the KDE 4 SNAFU on his user.
rindolf And hopefully to avoid bissecting the KDE 4 config tree.
Zuu snafu... that wounds like a delicious cake :D
Zuu *sounds
rindolf Zuu: Situation Normal - All F****ed up.
Zuu :/
* Zuu gives the snafu cake to Dmage :D
Zuu Dmage, just eat the cake already
Dmage Zuu, are you hate my english? ;)
Zuu i hate your non-english
Black_Phoenix I english your hate
Dmage xD
Zuu Dmage, but i dont hate you! :D
Black_Phoenix and now I can do that
Dmage Zuu, learn russian then! :)
Zuu Hehe
Zuu Dmage, i think you'd hate my russion far more than i would ever hate your english
rindolf Spasiva.
Dmage xD
Dmage learn 'Eto huinya!'
* Zuu steals the snafu cake back from Dmage and gives it to rindolf instead
Dmage and apply everywhere
* rindolf eats the SNAFU cake
Zuu :D
* rindolf eats Zuu's Danish too.
Zuu Noooh!
* rindolf loves Zuu's Danish.
rindolf Yum yum.
Zuu tis mine!
Zuu My daaaanish :'(
rindolf My precioussssssssss!
Zuu tis gone :<
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode
Tagline SNAFU Cake

What is Qantor?

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rindolf What should I do now?
rindolf I'll work on Text-Qantor.
rindolf It's so great not to have a job.
Zuu yeah, if someone else pays for the food it sure is :D
Zuu also, i dont really understand much of what you just told me :P
* Zuu puts a stick into the Text-Qantor
rindolf Zuu: Qantor == Qantor ain't no TeX/Troff oh really.
rindolf It's a typesetting system I'm working on.
* Zuu hates the name
Zuu it makes me kinda mad actually :/
rindolf Zuu: :-)
rindolf Zuu: maybe it will grow on you.
rindolf Zuu: some people I know named a browser suckass.
Zuu :(
rindolf I refused to work on it.
Zuu see that's a name!
rindolf Zuu: heh.
Zuu i didnt mean that btw :)
Zuu suckass is kinda... unkind
rindolf OK, now I should write an http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/facts/XSLT/ transformation.
rindolf I'll start from something I already have.
Zuu But the "X ain't no <something related>" is just a lame naming convention imho
Zuu yeah, work on some XSLT facts :D
rindolf Zuu: just call it Qantor then.
rindolf Without the mnemonics.
Zuu but anyone interrested will learn that it's an abbreviation
Zuu just by the fact that it's recursive makes me want to kill myself a little bit more :P
rindolf Zuu: do me a break and kill yourself.
Zuu :>
rindolf Less Zuus - more grass for evil reindeers like me to feed on.
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode
Tagline What is Qantor?

Turing Hard

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rindolf Pythack now was able to get the fc-solve test suite up and running.
Zuu eh?!
* Zuu solves rindolf
rindolf Zuu: http://fc-solve.berlios.de/
rindolf Zuu: I am not solvable.
rindolf I am Turing hard.
Zuu :S
* Zuu never heard of anything called 'turing hard'
joeyadams lol. Zuu's probabilistic, so maybe he can solve you.
Zuu but i guess i have now
joeyadams Formal definition of Turing hard: blah blah blah hard blah blah Turing blah.
Zuu Hahahaha :D
joeyadams Wikipedia: Given a set X in P(N), a set A in N is called Turing hard for X if X <=_T A for all X in X. If additionally A is in X, then A is called Turing complete for X.
joeyadams Does that clarify?
joeyadams (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_reduction for the actual math symbols)
* joeyadams assumes you get the point
Zuu yeah, i think i'll have to put significant time into that, for me to comprehend it :)
Zuu but maybe i will, some day :P
joeyadams My point is that people like to use mumbo jumbo to describe more concise mumbo jumbo.
joeyadams E.g. A problem is NP-hard if it is at least as hard as all the problems in NP.
Zuu i undersstand enough of it, to be fairly confident that rindolf being turing hard, will not say much about his ability to be solved
joeyadams I'm guessing Turing-hard means you can't solve a problem with a Turing machine (e.g. the halting problem)
joeyadams (substitute Turing machine with "your computer" :) )
Zuu no, turing hard has something to do with expressiveness
joeyadams okay, Zuu > joeyadams, so I can't help you :)
* Zuu tickles joeyadams ^^
joeyadams A delicious apple is any fruit ∈ apple that is at least as tasty as any other fruit ∈ apple.
joeyadams In other words, apples are in the set of recursively nommable fruits.
rindolf joeyadams: what's up?
joeyadams I'm babbling.
rindolf joeyadams: Apple is one of my least favourite fruits.
* Zuu watches a number of apples that recursively NOM's eathother
rindolf It tends to be too commonplace.
rindolf Or simpleton.
joeyadams whoops, my logic is incorrect
joeyadams Only delicious apples are ∈ the nommable fruits.
joeyadams (recursively is just a word you throw in to sound smart)
* Zuu NOMs joeyadams :>
rindolf joeyadams: a friend of one of my sisters said that Apple is his favourite fruit.
rindolf Ta-zuu!
* joeyadams has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection nommed by peer))
Zuu yeah, unfortunately a lot of people throw with a lot of words to sound smart :/
Zuu my favourite fruit is a recursive banana!
joeyadams although it certainly helps to use complex terminology to solve complex problems. As Aristophanes said, "High thoughts must have high language."
Zuu .. along with immutable polymorphic pears
joeyadams Zuu> I guess you have to peel it indefinitely?
joeyadams lol
Zuu Hahah, yeah :P
joeyadams I tend to eat bananas in deterministic polynomial time.
Zuu i eat them in linear time, but uses exponential space
joeyadams lol
rindolf Heh.
joeyadams eww
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode
Tagline Turing Hard

The Ultimate ##programming Showdown

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ljuwaidah yo ecere!!
Zuu yay, life :)
* Zuu tickles ljuwaidah
* ljuwaidah punches zuu in the face
* Zuu starts crying :'(
rindolf Fight!
rindolf Fight! Fight!
* Zuu runs home to mommy
rindolf Let's get ready to rumble!!!
* ljuwaidah punches rindolf in the face
ljuwaidah for encouraging the fight, that is
Zuu hehe
* rindolf uses his Evil Antlers to summon a squadron of Chuck Norrises.
Zuu oh my!
* rindolf unleashes the Chuck Norrises upon ljuwaidah
* ljuwaidah uses his anti-chuck-norrise spell
Zuu those anterls must be the most evil thing in the entire universe
Zuu *antlers
rindolf ljuwaidah: your spell only works on one chuck norris at a day.
rindolf And I have 119 more.
rindolf Finish him!
Zuu i wonder what will happen if one Chuck Norris accidently punches another
ljuwaidah rindolf: then lemme use my duplication spell to make more of myself so THEY can use the spell
rindolf ljuwaidah: heh.
rindolf ljuwaidah++
ljuwaidah thanks :D
rindolf ljuwaidah: two can play this game.
* rindolf runs his recursive copying spell making lots of Evil rindolf reindeers exponentially.
rindolf Like Bacteria.
ljuwaidah darn! i didn't see that coming
ljuwaidah but you also forgot that if _I_ can duplicate myself then so can my duplicates B-)
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ispy Emulating a Clueless Newbie

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→ispy_ has joined ##programming
ispy_ hi gang.
ispy_ I'm a n00b programmer and think I should learn A and B before C, right?
std_orb ispy_: General understanding should come before that.
ispy_ std_orb: I have no idea what I'm doing...
std_orb ispy_: I can see that
* ispy_ kicks the dirt...
tommy_the-dragon ive been meaning to get into it
ispy_ Is C like JavaScript?
ispy_ Same thing right?
tommy_the-dragon ispy_: lol
rindolf ispy_: Perl is more like C than JS is.
ispy_ rindolf: Never heard of Perl... I should google that.
rindolf ispy_: use Bing search instead.
rindolf Or Altavista.
Terminus rindolf: i see.
ispy_ rindolf, std_orb, tommy_the-dragon ... thanks for the pointers :)
rindolf ispy_: you should learn Intercal, it's the most expressive language possible.
ispy_ rindolf: Sounds exciting!
Terminus intercal... lol!
ispy_ haha
ispy_ ok ok ok... I can't continue this... I'm practically laughing my ass off at my desk.
rindolf :-)
ispy_ hehe
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What kind of animal is Zuu?

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Zuu Hai all
rindolf Zuu: hai hai.
rindolf Zuu: what's up , kit?
rindolf Zuu: or what are you , I forgot?
Zuu Hai rindolf :D
rindolf I am a reindeer.
rindolf But also a Llama.
rindolf And a cat.
Zuu I'm a Zuu
rindolf And a fish naturally.
rindolf Zuu: ah , OK.
Zuu :D
* rindolf creates a Zoo of Zuus
Zuu ^^
rindolf Are you the master Zuu?
rindolf Like Q is the master of the Q's in Star Trek?
Zuu i think im the only Zuu
rindolf Oh, one of a kind.
Zuu Which is kinda sad really :(
Zuu Who am i supposed to mate with?
rindolf Reminds me of http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Blue-Rabbit-Log/ideas.xhtml
rindolf Though I need to add that part.
rindolf Let me do it now.
Zuu whatever webserver you use, it doesnt provide the right mimetype... At least IE 8 dont attempt to render the document
rindolf Zuu: you cannot using IE 8
rindolf Zuu: you need Firefox.
rindolf Zuu: it's application/xml+xhtml
rindolf Or Opera.
Zuu well, it indeed is the right mimetype... stupid IE
Zuu well, my FF crashed, so i just use IE when that happens
rindolf Zuu: ah.
rindolf FF crashed?
rindolf How strange.
rindolf Maybe you have a bad plugin.
Zuu It does that around 6 times a day
rindolf Not an extension - a plugin.
rindolf Ah, really.
rindolf Something is wrong in the Zuuniverse.
rindolf Or Zuumputer.
Zuu nah, i suspect one of the tabs are just doing some strange stuff
Zuu memory leaking javascript ro something like that
Zuu it is kinda starting to annoy me
Zuu but with 90 - 120 tabs, it would take quite a while to find out what tab it is
Zuu you might consider starting your articles, or whatever this is, with an introduction telling what it's about
rindolf Zuu: http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Blue-Rabbit-Log/ideas.xhtml#the-angry-demon
rindolf Zuu: it's not an article - these are random ideas for a screenplay.
rindolf Zuu: but I'll write an intro.
Zuu start the page with "Here are some of my random ideas for a screen play im writing:"
Zuu at LEAST!
Zuu you cant just jump right into something without giving _any_ indication ow what the reader can expect
Zuu it simply doesnt make any sense as it is now
Zuu you could just as well have posted a log of ljuwidah talking :P
rindolf Zuu: thanks.
Zuu :)
rindolf Zuu: http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Blue-Rabbit-Log/ideas.xhtml#intro
rindolf Interactive Web!
Zuu i think you have forgottoen to define the #intro anchor
rindolf Zuu: reload.
rindolf Zuu: it's there.
Zuu hah, caches... :P
Zuu :D
rindolf Pesky things.
rindolf Evil reindeers don't like caches.
rindolf Neither do cats.
rindolf I'm an evil reindeer but a good cat.
Zuu Hehe
rindolf Don't know how it works.
rindolf I guess good and evil are relative.
rindolf Or actually I wore a helmet of alignment change.
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Meaning of the Zuu species

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Zuu Hi rindolf :)
rindolf Hi Zuu
rindolf Zuu: I've been thinking that maybe you can find some corresponding Zuus of the appropriate sex in a different dimension.
Zuu hmmm... interresting!
rindolf Zuu: are you a heterosexual Zuu or a homosexual one?
Zuu Im not sure what sex I am.
rindolf Zuu: ah.
Zuu :P
rindolf Zuu: you can look.
rindolf Zuu: in the mirror or something.
rindolf Zuu: don't you have obligatory genders in Danish/
rindolf ?
rindolf Like in German, French, etc.
rindolf Or Hebrew and Arabic.
Zuu obligatory genders?
Zuu you mean, the genders in linguistics?
* Zuu never understood those
Zuu but Danish have two i believe, and if i remember correctly there is female and 'none'
rindolf Zuu: yes, genders in linguistics.
Zuu i dont remember what which is which though :P
rindolf Like in Hebrew "Haben Halakh lagan" - the boy went to the garden. "Habath Halkha lagan" - "The girl went to the garden"
c_sphere That almost sounds like allah akbar
Zuu rindolf, no we dont distinct between the genders of the subject in the danish language
Zuu our nouns have genders though
c_sphere zuu-nina?
Zuu like 'house' is one gender and 'car' is another
rindolf Zuu: of course the question is - what language do Zuus speak natively?
c_sphere rindolf: Of course, Zuu speaks Zuu!
rindolf Zuuish?
c_sphere The Zulu population also does not speak Zuluish, just Zulu.
Zuu so if you want to say 'the house' its 'huse_t_' and if you want to say 'the car' its 'bile_n_'
rindolf c_sphere: Arnavoth (sounds like an Aztec god) is "Hares" (the Rabbit-like mammal) in Hebrew.
rindolf Zuu: can you understand Swedish?
c_sphere Aemeth
Zuu rindolf, some :)
rindolf Zuu: ah.
Zuu swedish branched from danish afaik
Zuu same with norwegian
Zuu yes, Zuu's speak Zuuish nativley :P
* rindolf is listening to Hans Zimmer - Jack Sparrow
rindolf Zuu: ah.
Zuu Zuuish have few words, all of which is based on words about cake from othre languages :P
Zuu c_sphere, are you by any chance related to s_cube ?
rindolf Zuu: ah, what do you use the Hebrew word "עוגיה" (= `ugiyah, cookie) for?
rindolf "Chocolate chip pie crust marmalade marzipan cookie yum yum!"
Zuu i use it for cookies baked from a hebrew recipe :P
rindolf What does it mean in Zuuish?
Zuu it's hard to really say something in Zuuish... al you can really do is say something equivalent to "COOKIES!!"
Zuu or "YAY CAKE!"
Zuu basically, you can only express excitement over different kinds of cakes :P
rindolf Zuu: do Zuus eat anything except cakes or cookies?
Zuu There was this one time...
Zuu wait.. no. That was someone else.
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##programming about Real Programmers

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rindolf Chekov: I disagere with what ESR says in TAOUP that you shouldn't apply factor optimisations. I think they can make a very large difference.
rindolf Chekov: he seems to imply you should wait until computers are fast enough.
rindolf Problem is people don't want to upgrade and if a competing program (maybe a fork ) is much faster, then some of them will switch.
rindolf Programs being speedy is one thing that makes me happy.
rindolf I love all the work the KDE people did in making KDE-4.6.0 fast.
vanguard rindolf: awesome blog link!
rindolf And I enjoy the fact that Pidgin is much faster than Kopete (and also less buggy).
rindolf I've used Kopete for far too long.
osoleve rindolf: switch to Irssi and Bitlbee! :D
rindolf vanguard: yes.
rindolf vanguard: though they failed on Google Wave.
rindolf osoleve: nah, I like Pidgin.
rindolf osoleve: it's fast enough for me.
rindolf osoleve: and I also prefer XChat.
osoleve but is it nerdy enough?
rindolf osoleve: I'm not trying to be a Ubergeek.
rindolf osoleve: real men use Xmonad!
vanguard Hey, it is not Uber but Über ... :D
rindolf real programmers use butterflies.
Chekov real programmers are Tao
osoleve real programmers flip bits by hand
Chekov real programmers speak assembly
rindolf Chuck Norris is a real programmer who implements the most optimised machines for solving a problem out of physical atoms.
vanguard real programmers use a nice editor and a programming language and get done in less than O(N!)
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Semicolons

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wes_ tell me how can u print a message without using a semicolon in the printg statement
rindolf wes_: in C?
rindolf wes_: do you mean the printf(...) statement?
wes_ yes
rindolf wes_: you cannot without using macros I think.
rindolf wes_: and don't use macros for that.
wes_ i mean without using a semicolon at the printf statement but you have to use printf only
rindolf wes_: why would you want to do that?
rindolf wes_: what do you have against semicolons?
rindolf Some of my best friends are semicolons.
lulzfish_4 semicolons got me where I am today man
rindolf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semicolon
rindolf lulzfish_4: heh.
rindolf "I owe it all to semicolons."
amigojapan hey rindolf lulzfish_4
rindolf Hi amigojapan
rindolf amigojapan: what's up?
* rindolf gives a semicolon to amigojapan
* amigojapan returns a whitespace to rindolf
rindolf amigojapan: that's not fair trade.
rindolf But I'll treasure the whitespace.
amigojapan rindolf: a whitespace is just as valuable as a semicolon in python :)
rindolf amigojapan: aren't semicolons optional in Py?
amigojapan rindolf: I think they are
amigojapan rindolf: actually, a whitespace can be as valuable as 2 curly braces :)
rindolf amigojapan: heh.
rindolf amigojapan: you need 4 spaces to distinguish stuff properly.
amigojapan rindolf: one thing I never got about python is why they need the : after if and for statements....
* PythonSnake gives a colon to rindolf
PythonSnake :)
amigojapan rindolf: actually, I preffer using tabs to 4 spacess...
rindolf PythonSnake: thanks for the colon.
PythonSnake rindolf: lol
rindolf PythonSnake: I'll give you a « and a » in exchange.
PythonSnake lol
amigojapan rindolf: the fact that you dont have a rule to how much white space you must use to indent in python, I think is a bad thing...
* PythonSnake finds a interrobang
PythonSnake :)
amigojapan rindolf: if it is 4 spaces then fine, but make it a rule so it is consistent
GeDaMo
PythonSnake lol
PythonSnake
PythonSnake
PythonSnake ‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡
rindolf ¿
PythonSnake ₳ ฿ ₵ ¢ ₡ ₢ ₠ $ ₫ ৳ ₯ € ƒ ₣ ₲ ₴ ₭ ℳ ₥ ₦ ₧ ₱ ₰
PythonSnake :)
amigojapan rindolf: oh, now you are speaking spanish
rindolf amigojapan: :-)
PythonSnake all: :)
rindolf ¡I am!
amigojapan うるさいよ 文字化け
PythonSnake Jag förvrängd bullriga
PythonSnake איך גאַרבאַלד טומלדיק
PythonSnake :)
amigojapan ah, hebrew
amigojapan hir something....
PythonSnake º, ª
amigojapan man, I forgot how to read hebrew
rindolf amigojapan: איך גאַרבאַלד טומלדיק seems like Yiddish.
amigojapan rindolf: ah, ok.... can you change it into roman letters for me?
rindolf amigojapan: Ich Garbald Tomldiq.
amigojapan ich would be I
amigojapan I think I only know curse words in yuddish :P
PythonSnake ich bin masaru
lulzfish_4 ich bin ein berlinner
* rindolf is eating watermelon.
amigojapan rindolf: save a piece for me :)
rindolf amigojapan: I'll save a semicolon for you.
PiX3L rindolf: For me too. :)
amigojapan rindolf: a semicolon looks alot like twso pits of a watermellon
* amigojapan steals PiX3L 's piece
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Calculator

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Endiannes vinleod, Yes, he wants to find a solution which yields a point 10 units away, your solution yields a point, exactly 7.66044 units away
Endiannes vinleod, Oh wait
Endiannes vinleod, I'm an idiot, didnt factor out cos
Endiannes vinleod, Yes you're right.
* Endiannes kicks calculator
vinleod hehe, I was in the process of writing a python script to prove it.
* speedrunnerG55 picks up Endianness calculator
speedrunnerG55 NEVER KICK YOUR CALCULATOR
CryWolf Kicking your calculator is a sin
Endiannes At least its not a cos.
vinleod but you should at least get a tan
rindolf Heh.
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The Universal Die

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monsterwizard Ok so I know javascript, php, perl in some detail. However, I want to become good at one. I was thinking Perl?
rindolf monsterwizard: roll a die.
monsterwizard rindolf the die showed a 7 :S
rindolf monsterwizard: heh.
hmm lol
rindolf monsterwizard: strange die.
hmm throw away the die
* rindolf throws the die at hmm
* hmm catches
rindolf die, die, die!
* hmm wants to live
rindolf hmm: but the die wants to die.
rindolf Take it out of its misery.
hmm who knows, even the die isn't ready to die
rindolf hmm: dice should be diced.
rindolf dice on ice.
hmm yeah, go dice the dice
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I Wanna Be a Hacker

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* hackerhackingcan (~hackingca@117.202.19.189) has joined ##programming
hackerhackingcan Hi friends
hackerhackingcan I am also new to hacking
rindolf hackerhackingcan: hi.
rindolf hackerhackingcan: I hope you mean software development - not computer intrusion.
hackerhackingcan what means intrusion?
rindolf hackerhackingcan: it means breaking into other people's systems.
hackerhackingcan I want to hack the internet websites like google and facebook
rindolf hackerhackingcan: hack?
hackerhackingcan can you help please?
rindolf hackerhackingcan: hack into?
hackerhackingcan yes I am new but I will try and learn
hackerhackingcan but can you help me rindolf?
rindolf hackerhackingcan: we won't help you break into systems.
pkkm wut? hack into google?
rindolf hackerhackingcan: with what?
hackerhackingcan hack into facebook google and internet
rindolf hackerhackingcan: we build systems - not break them.
hackerhackingcan please?
rindolf hackerhackingcan: http://catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/script-kiddie.html
rindolf hackerhackingcan: if you want to learn how to program, we can help you.
rindolf hackerhackingcan: but trying to break into computer systems will only get you in trouble.
hackerhackingcan I can do programming in html
rindolf hackerhackingcan: HTML is not a programming language.
hackerhackingcan is that enough for hacking?
vinleod hackerhackingcan: There's no such things as programming in HTML.
hackerhackingcan I can also do hacks in cmd
vinleod Ah, a script kiddie.
hackerhackingcan what you mean by scrpt kiddie?
hackerhackingcan ok now I know
hackerhackingcan you all dont want other people to know about hacking
hackerhackingcan so you say like this
rindolf hackerhackingcan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Script_kiddie
hackerhackingcan so you abused me by calling me script kiddie?
hackerhackingcan When I become a good hacker I will hack you also
vinleod hackerhackingcan: Good luck with that. bye bye.
rindolf hackerhackingcan: OK, you have been warned.
hackerhackingcan why warn?
rindolf hackerhackingcan: try hacking into the IP address 127.0.0.1
vinleod hackerhackingcan: I bet you can't log into that computer and delete all of its files.
luke_c hackerhackingscan: After that, try to DDOS 192.168.1.1
hackerhackingcan is 127.0.0.1 your ip?
Ethelim why'd you give him my iP ffs?
Ethelim don't try it, you wouldn't get in anyway. I have it locked down tightly
vinleod hackerhackingcan: So, here's the situation. We don't condone illegal activity. We don't suggest that people attempt illegal activity. We don't like people who do illegal activity. We a programmers. We like to write programs. We like to solve interesting problems. We like to solve interesting puzzles.
rindolf hackerhackingcan: if you haven't noticed, I've become op.
rindolf hackerhackingcan: and I can /kick you and /kickban you.
vinleod hackerhackingcan: Now, if you'd like be a good, productive member of society and learn to program, we can help with that, but we won't spoon feed you either.
hackerhackingcan hahah whose is this ip 192.168.1.1? Your password is admin haha
Ethelim is he for real?
vinleod Ethelim: I doubt it.
hackerhackingcan 192.168.1.1 I am changing your password then call me kid
rindolf Ethelim: he seems like a bad troll.
rindolf But an amusing one.
jrslepak rindolf: depends on how many times you've heard the joke in the recent past
Ethelim dude, you wouldn't get in there. And even if you did all you'd be able to do is reset the guy's connection
hackerhackingcan I will reset it
* Ethelim waits for "someone's" closed connection
mst "Quit: Leaving"
vinleod I saw that coming a mile away/
JabbaWokiee lol
mst not an actual fell-off-the-internet
mst reasonable exit though
mst oh, and now he's back with a new nick
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/dev/null is webscale.

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oilio so what the point of hashes, can't we just use void pointers to key/val ?
rindolf oilio: hashes as in hash tables?
oilio yes
rindolf oilio: OK.
rindolf oilio: they are one way to efficiently implement the dictionary Abstract Data Type (ADT).
rindolf oilio: a hash table can store more than one key , value pair.
oilio yeah, I read about it in the wikipedia
rindolf oilio: and you can lookup a value based on a key efficiently.
arubin Linear search is good enough for everyone.
oilio indolf: what if the hole table wont fit in the memory?
oilio RAM
arubin Swap.
arubin Amazon S3.
imlearningyacc well if no ram and no swap no allocation
arubin We have the whole Internet for our tables.
imlearningyacc well
diminoten ask reddit how that worked out
arubin And remember, /dev/null is web-scale.
imlearningyacc yea, I store all my data in /dev/null
rindolf oilio: then you'll need to use a more sophisticated (and slower) data structure that can offload to disk.
arubin It is really fast.
arubin I use the Boost libraries for /dev/null too.
arubin And I use async writes to /dev/null.
rindolf arubin: heh.
diminoten don't want to get into resource contention when using /dev/null
* rindolf uses /dev/null for backups.
diminoten only so much null to go around
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iSomething

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jparkton and ya know. I bet if one distro popped an i in front like iUbunt, iFedora or some jazz about 300 million people would shell out astronomical amounts of money just to have one before anyone else
WinNY Macs are evil.
impulse9 iCry
jercos iDerp
jparkton iFail
jparkton iStone
impulse9 iQuack
jparkton iFap
Jeaye ifap.cum
jparkton iClean
jparkton iBarf
jparkton iReturn
impulse9 iI
rindolf jparkton: this reminds me of http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/show.cgi?id=sharp-perl-paid-version-of-cpan .
rindolf iCanHazCheezburger.
rindolf iSuck.
rindolf iAmSpartacus.
impulse9 iAmYourFather
jparkton prolly some new iFag rage
rindolf iAmLame
impulse9 iBlame
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Bad Names for Programs

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rindolf marzy: Emacs is not a better vim. They are very different.
rindolf marzy: I could never get used to Emacs, but have used Vim for many years.
marzy rindolf Emacs + Evil mode makes a better vim
rindolf marzy: does it support all Vim extensions?
marzy no, that's why its better. it doesn't come with retarded scripting language!!
rindolf marzy: well, it's still not 100% compatible with vim.
rindolf marzy: and Evil is an awful name. Sorry.
rindolf "The only thing more evil than XSLT is XSLT edited with Emacs Evil mode." ;-)
marzy i think it's a good name considering emacs and vi(m) rivalry
rindolf marzy: of course, I've heard worse - coq and coccinelle.
rindolf And then there's this guy here who called his programming language Flua which reminds me of Flu and Influenza.
Reactionary rindolf: lol
dardevelin rindolf, flua IDE is not that bad to be fair (at least the little i tried )
rindolf dardevelin: didn't say *it* was bad - I said the name was bad.
rindolf dardevelin: and I could never get it running here. Problems with Py3 and PyQt.
dardevelin rindolf, oh that sucks... :/
rindolf dardevelin: yes.
dardevelin rindolf, yeah i know you didn't said it was bad, just as gave you my opinion on it as a side note. sorry i should have made it more explicit :)
rindolf Of course, Evil is not as bad a name as SLIME, which is another Emacs mode.
dardevelin rindolf, i had troubles with SLIME once and boy i got tired of fighting with it
rindolf Reportedly it was also the nickname of an internal Microsoft version control system called SLM (that is now largely discontinued).
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Selling Open Source Source Code

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codescience just stumbled across another question. is there an open-source license that prevent anyone from making money off my code?
rindolf codescience: no there isn't.
rindolf codescience: it stands against the open source definition.
ssta codescience: that would violate the spirit of what most people understand "open source" to mean
rindolf codescience: people can sell copies of open source software or services related to it.
codescience hmmm, i understand
rindolf codescience: see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.html
ssta I can legally sell you this copy of the linux kernel...I can charge whaqtever you are willing to pay. Nothing in the license prevents this
rindolf ssta: will you sell it to me for 5,000 USD?
rindolf ;-)
ssta rindolf: sure
rindolf ssta: how about for 3,000 USD?
ssta rindolf: tell you what, for $10,000 I'll throw in a free copy of FreeBSD
rindolf ssta: wow, sounds like a good deal.
ssta rindolf: hmm, 3000 is a bit low, I don't think I could go that cheap
rindolf ssta: heh.
rindolf ssta: how much are you selling the source code of Apache 2.4 for?
ssta rindolf: oh, you can have that for free
rindolf ssta: really?
rindolf Sucker!
ssta rindolf: sure...but the build scripts you have to pay for
rindolf ssta: OK.
rindolf ssta: would you be willing to exchange the source of the Linux kernel for three copies of jQuery? I will even throw in a few free Dojo plugins.
rindolf ssta: he already told us.
ssta rindolf: hmm, not sure I want jQuery
ssta rindolf: would you happen to have code for a halfway decent RDBMS? I think I could swap for that
rindolf ssta: I have the source code for MySQL. Not sure if it's half-decent.
codescience i run a mysql server. runs good enough for me
ssta rindolf: I use MySQL in production quite a lot. It has its flaws, but my use cases never seem to hit them
rindolf ssta: OK.
rindolf ssta: so will you exchanges its source code for the Linux kernel?
ssta rindolf: sure
rindolf ssta: sounds good.
rindolf ssta: you can find the source code of MySQL here - http://www.mysql.com/
ssta rindolf: you can get the linux source from kernel.org
rindolf ssta: thanks.
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gcc warning flags

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doomrobo rindolf, I got redirected to your gcc important flags page today and I think you may be missing a few things
rindolf doomrobo: do you mean the one in the talk?
rindolf doomrobo: which page are you referring to?
doomrobo rindolf, lemme see
rindolf http://www.shlomifish.org/lecture/W2L/Development/slides/gcc/flags.html - heh, first Google hit for "gcc important flags"
rindolf At least for me.
doomrobo yeah
rindolf doomrobo: OK, I did not originate that page originally.
doomrobo ok
rindolf doomrobo: and it served a certain purpose as material for slides to the Haifa Linux Club's Welcome to Linux series.
doomrobo nice
* jrslepak always found it funny that -Wall doesn't turn on all of the warnings
jrslepak . o O ( gcc -Wno-really-I-mean-all ... )
rindolf -Wevery-warning-under-the-sun-and-then-some
rindolf -W42
rindolf -Wchuck-norris
doomrobo -Wextra
doomrobo -whipped-cream
jrslepak and of course -WTF
rindolf jrslepak: :-)
rindolf -Worse
rindolf -Worse-is-better
jrslepak -Wat
rindolf -Whoops
doomrobo -S -Illy -Wabbit
rindolf Heh.
jrslepak -Wascally-wabbit
jrslepak (which really needs to be the name of a future Ubuntu release)
doomrobo people reading this are probably just shaking their heads
jrslepak hey, at least it's not -fallow-undecidable-instances ¬_¬
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Ultra Compression

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tnzr does anyone happen to know what std::allocator.allocate() does when you try to allocate 0 bytes? I get a pointer back but I can't tell what it's pointing at and I can't seem to find anything on the web that gives a difinitive answer
GeDaMo Why are you allocating zero bytes?
Billiard tnzr: the same thing it always returns
tnzr GeDaMo: we are implementing our own allocator for an assignment, and when asked what we should do if the user tries to allocate 0 bytes, the prof said to find out what std::allocator does and mimic that
GeDaMo http://stackoverflow.com/questions/6065814/standard-compliant-custom-allocator
tnzr oh snap, thanks GeDaMo
GeDaMo :)
rindolf GeDaMo: zero bytes are enough to hold the Complete Works of Shakespeare.
GeDaMo Depends on how many monkeys you have to decompress it :P
rindolf GeDaMo: heh.
rindolf Of course, I defined a custom decompressor that emits the complete works of Shakespeare on empty input and uses gzip compression otherwise.
rindolf It's pretty large though.
Billiard redeemed: compress the decompressor using the same algo
Billiard errr rindolf
rindolf Billiard: OK.
rindolf Billiard: heh.
Billiard 0 bytes = a decompressor for the entire works of shakespeare
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Ruby Tuesday

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rindolf Hi all.
vandos hi
rindolf Hello Ruby Tuesday.
famously goodbye ruby tuesday
famously hello emerald thursdays!
famously now i have to choose a precious stone for each day of the week, thanks
famously this is going to take half the night
Textmode sapphire Sundays
rindolf Pearl Mondays.
rindolf Diamond Saturdays.
famously YES!
famously diamond saturday definitely
famously i thought the same thing
famously i guess there's already a gemstone for every month, so this would be seen as kind of a ripoff
famously maybe a metal for every day
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Mac Server

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Zepo Either our mac server is sending out little electroshocks through his cage and into my foot or he is just vibrating really strange...
rindolf Zepo: a mac server?
Zepo rindolf: jeh, we have a macserver running a vm with a ubuntu server
rindolf Zepo: hmm... interesting.
Zepo rindolf: Most people react like "what the...?!"
rindolf Zepo: next you'll tell me that you have an HP/UX Desktop.
Zepo rindolf: I am not that crazy, my chef made this...thing...
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Maths Education and Languages

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cheeseduck rindolf: How long have you got on the book?
Jude rindolf, did you check out the new game of thrones episode?
rindolf Jude: no, I don't watch Game of Thrones.
rindolf Jude: I did see this on Slashdot - http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/03/31/1347248/hbo-says-game-of-thrones-piracy-is-a-compliment .
rindolf Jude: quite encouraging.
Jude why
rindolf Jude: what is encouraging?
rindolf Jude: I mean that some television producers are having a clue about piracy.
rindolf Jude: I think the MPAA is likely going to follow the lead of the RIAA and endorse the Internet.
rindolf Jude: well, there's still a long way to go with even music online.
cheeseduck rindolf: "How to win friends and..."
rindolf cheeseduck: ah, that. MAking slow progress in it.
rindolf cheeseduck: I thought it was a book *I* was writing.
rindolf Lately, I've been writing books and screenplays and stuff more than I've been reading them. :-D
cheeseduck "I've been reading a lot of scripts lately." "You know, it's cheaper than going to the movies."
rindolf cheeseduck: heh.
rindolf cheeseduck: some people find the screenplays funny as they are.
rindolf cheeseduck: they have good imagination.
cheeseduck I always found the standard they are supposed to be written in weird.
cheeseduck Kind of wasteful in space.
rindolf cheeseduck: for other people, it ruins the experience.
rindolf cheeseduck: yes, maybe.
Jude I see rindolf, did you catch the walking dead's finale?
rindolf cheeseduck: I have something of my own - http://www.shlomifish.org/open-source/projects/XML-Grammar/Fiction/
rindolf Jude: not familiar with "Walking Dead".
rindolf Jude: horror drama - I have a soft stomach.
rindolf Jude: I prefer humour or drama/humour or sci-fi/humour or sci-fi/humour/drama or stuff like that.
Jude k, sorry to have bothered you
rindolf Jude: I watched three episodes of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic, and so far - I'm game.
rindolf Jude: you did not bother me.
Jude never seen it
rindolf Jude: do you watch My Little Pony?
rindolf Jude: ah, I love it so far.
Jude heard it can get quite rough
Jude more nudity and violence than spartacus and game of thrones combined
rindolf One episode involved a lot of songs, which I disliked.
rindolf Jude: heh, LOL.
rindolf Jude++
rindolf Jude: it's directed at little girls.
rindolf Jude: so it's a pretty clean show.
Jude yeah I know
Jude I was kidding
rindolf Jude: if you want incest and violence, then look no further than the Jewish bible.
Jude there are a lot of dubbing sections of the show to go with metal songs or violent scripts etc
Jude rindolf, I'm jewish
rindolf Jude: reportedly, it was quite realism then (the Bible I mean).
rindolf Jude: ah, nice. So am I.
Jude and I couldn't agree more
Jude I have to go watch game of thrones
rindolf Jude: yes, you need to process the Bible a lot to get to the good stuff.
Jude will talk to you in an hour
rindolf Jude: enjoy.
Jude yeah, in Israel we have to take bible classes
Jude in high school
rindolf Maybe I'll prepare a fortune out of this conversation.
Jude and elementary school too
rindolf Jude: I'm Israeli too.
Jude really?
rindolf Jude: I live in Tel Aviv.
Jude where do you teach
rindolf Jude: yes.
Jude me too..
rindolf Jude: I don't teach.
Jude don't tell me you live near rabin sq.
rindolf Jude: well, I teach stuff via blogging and Internet writing.
rindolf Jude: no, but I go there often.
rindolf Jude: I live in Gimmel.
Jude ramat aviv?
rindolf Jude: yes.
Jude that's close to TAU
Jude do you study there?
rindolf Jude: yes.
Jude CS?
rindolf Jude: no, I just live with my parents.
rindolf Jude: I graduated from EE from the Technion.
Jude cool
rindolf Jude: http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/computers/education/opinion-on-the-technion/
Jude that's your blog?
rindolf Jude: it's my home site.
Jude cool
rindolf Jude: a good old fashioned Web 1.0 site in modern clothing.
rindolf Like valid HTML, modern CSS, some JS enhancements, etc.
rindolf But still static HTML pages.
rindolf I have some blogs on livejournal.com/etc.
Jude do you know a guy called nimrod?
rindolf Jude: there are many people called Nimrod - it's a common name.
Jude don't want to give him in on public chat
rindolf Jude: not sure I know a Nimrod off hand.
Jude nevermind then
rindolf Jude: OK, feel free to PM.
rindolf Jude: many Israeli names can get confusing.
rindolf OK.
rindolf Jude: I can easily come to Rabin sq. - there's a bus there from here.
Jude he's my brother, he lives close to you and he's also an open-source enthusaist
Jude I know
Jude there are plenty of them
rindolf Jude: ah, that's great.
Jude I take them to uni on a daily basis
Jude I live right by rabin sq.
rindolf Jude: so you study in TAU?
Jude yeah
rindolf Jude: TAU has tons of hot chicks.
Jude there are some
rindolf Jude: there aren't a lot of people on the streets of Gimmel.
rindolf Jude: so you study CS?
Jude no way
Jude maths
rindolf Jude: ah, I see.
rindolf Jude: maths...
Jude I know one or two nice looking girls, but I usually get put off by their personalities
rindolf Jude: I think maths is taught wrong in several aspects.
rindolf Jude: ah.
Jude I've only been attracted to one specimen of the female sex ever
Jude in my entire life
rindolf Jude: ah, really?
Jude I dunno, I agree when you speak of highschool maths
Jude I like university maths so far
Jude my professors are really nice
rindolf Jude: well, there are a lot of girls studying more humane stuff.
rindolf Jude: http://blogs.perl.org/users/shlomi_fish/2013/03/ann-my-transition-from-software-developer-to-writerentertaineramateur-philosopherinternet-celebrity.html
Jude I generally don't like people who study humane subjects (I don't consider philosophy to be as such though)
rindolf Jude: I've made a transition from a mathematician to a software developer and now I'm more of a writer/entertainer/amateur-philosopher.
Jude you didn't like the way it was taught?
rindolf Jude: like which way?
rindolf Jude: you mean maths?
Jude yes
rindolf Jude: well: 1. No pairwise work. Big mistake.
rindolf 2. Need to memorise a lot of silly stuff. Why??
rindolf 3. Maybe allow some sloppiness. Make maths more humane.
Jude that's why you got philosophy
Jude maths can't afford to be sloppy
rindolf There's something poetical about many maths' proofs.
Jude the intuitive ideas behind them
Jude are beautiful
Jude but intuition can be misleading
Jude that's why you have to be really strict
rindolf Jude: yes, that's why I think we should now move into proof verifier realm.
Jude if you want your proof to be valid
rindolf Jude: right.
rindolf Jude: but I was once criticised for this - http://ladypine.livejournal.com/24574.html
rindolf Jude: thing is - not everything should be strict when teaching.
rindolf Jude: I agree that mathematical intuition can be misleading, but it's still a good thing to have.
rindolf Jude: thing is I think many mathematicians now require a lot of dedication and selling their soul to the devil, which is turning them into http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Nemo -s.
Jude it's not a very formal proof
rindolf Jude: when I studied EE most of my courses were with open material, and I could do pairwise work, which I enjoyed.
Jude but seems to hold
rindolf Jude: yes.
Jude I guess you are right
rindolf Jude: :-D
Jude that the concept is more important than the formalization
Jude but a lot of my professors agree with you
Jude and would give much more attention to grasping the important concept, and understanding intuition behind proofs
rindolf Jude: I'm always right. Unless I claim that "A is not-A". But Chuck Norris would be right even then.
Jude lol
rindolf Hah! A new Chuck Norris factoid.
Jude <3
Jude it's been nice chatting with you, I really have to go now, I need to watch GoT and then go to bed and wake up in 4 hours
rindolf Jude: my father and I now have an ongoing Chuck Norris meme.
rindolf Jude: bye, have fun, and good night.
Jude rindolf, what's that
rindolf Jude: what?
Jude the Chuck Norris meme
rindolf Jude: well, we say stuff like "you're my most Chuck Norris dad." or "I taught Chuck Norris how to fight."
rindolf It's a personal running joke.
rindolf Well, a family-wide one.
rindolf We have our own jargon.
Jude heh
rindolf Most families do.
Jude I'm not close enough to any member of my family
Jude to do that
rindolf Ah.
Jude talk to you later, ciao
rindolf Bye.
Nisstyre-laptop rindolf: Douglas Hofstadter gave a talk about how mathematicians aren't as rigorous as they claim to be
Nisstyre-laptop and that they use a lot of analogical thinking
rindolf Nisstyre-laptop: ah, OK.
Nisstyre-laptop it was at the university of Toronto
Nisstyre-laptop I missed it sadly though
rindolf Nisstyre-laptop: ah.
rindolf Nisstyre-laptop: was it filmed?
Nisstyre-laptop but I can basically tell you what he said more or less
Nisstyre-laptop rindolf: there was a webcast
rindolf Nisstyre-laptop: OK.
rindolf Nisstyre-laptop: ah.
Nisstyre-laptop not sure if it can be accessed still
rindolf Nisstyre-laptop: ah.
Nisstyre-laptop <+Nisstyre-laptop> but if you read either GEB or I Am a Strange Loop you'll get it
rindolf Nisstyre-laptop: I read GEB.
rindolf Nisstyre-laptop: GEB was a nice book, but I knew a lot of what he was saying there.
rindolf Nisstyre-laptop: I still enjoyed the drama stuff in the middle with Achilles, the Tortoise and their friends.
Nisstyre-laptop rindolf: you had the idea of using PM as a metaphor for systems of thinking and the mind?
Nisstyre-laptop because that's what the book is about
rindolf Nisstyre-laptop: PM?
Nisstyre-laptop principia mathematica
Nisstyre-laptop the formal system constructed by Russell and Whitehead
rindolf Nisstyre-laptop: I didn't think of it.
rindolf Nisstyre-laptop: yes, I know.
Nisstyre-laptop the entire book is his theory of consciousness
Nisstyre-laptop and how there are levels of thinking
rindolf Nisstyre-laptop: well, I read "I think, therefore I laugh" before I read GEB.
Nisstyre-laptop you can be less of a thinking being, etc...
rindolf Yes, he says that consciousness requires thinking in loops, or self-reflection.
rindolf Well, it's an informal theory of consciousness.
Nisstyre-laptop it requires what he calls a strange loop
Nisstyre-laptop and there can be many levels to it
Nisstyre-laptop more levels == what we think of as more human or more conscious beings
Nisstyre-laptop so PM actually is able to self reflect to an extent
Nisstyre-laptop although it requires a human to interpret it
rindolf I believe, that creating artificial intelligence/artificial consciousness won't be easy to do, will require a lot of complex code, and will likely be faulty (have its own will, make mistakes, not run as quickly as more specialised code, etc.).
rindolf Nisstyre-laptop: yes.
Nisstyre-laptop depends what you mean by AI
Nisstyre-laptop there are several different definitions
gde33 the first human like robot will be build in japan, the first artifical intelligence in the us
doomlord heh
gde33 hahaha
Nisstyre-laptop the church-turing hypothesis would seem to imply it's possible, at least in principle
Nisstyre-laptop to create "strong" AI
Nisstyre-laptop although I intensely dislike that term
Nisstyre-laptop since it tries to say that any system of thinking that doesn't work exactly the same as a human one isn't AI
Nisstyre-laptop which is BS
gde33 you guys are all worried about intelligence, I think that will be the easy part. Then comes the important stuff: giving it a sense of humor.
doomlord so there was the idea that consciousness is associated with information flow, and that "more" information flow is "More" consciousness, a continuum like gravity... but gravity can produce a qualitatively different effect past a certain level (black holes..)
doomlord so the "loop" is where information flow becomes qualitatively different ?
Nisstyre-laptop doomlord: have you read GEB?
Nisstyre-laptop it would be the ability a system has to observe itself, and encode the system itself in the system
Nisstyre-laptop in otherwords self reflection
gde33 I don't know many people who can be truly accused of having their own thoughts
doomlord i dont thinkso but i have some related quotes from somewhere
doomlord but can a system only approximate itself
Nisstyre-laptop principia mathematica has that ability
doomlord can a computer emulate itself...
Nisstyre-laptop as Goedel showed
Nisstyre-laptop you can encode formulas in PM as formulas in PM
Nisstyre-laptop doomlord: yes
doomlord but to what practical extent
Nisstyre-laptop what is that supposed to mean?
doomlord nature has many 'feedback loops' involving information
Nisstyre-laptop physical limitations result in a hard limit of feedback loops
doomlord whats GEB, links?
Nisstyre-laptop if you point a camera at a mirror eventually it will "stop"
Nisstyre-laptop doomlord: it's a book
Nisstyre-laptop Godel, Escher, Bach
doomlord ah google reveals
Nisstyre-laptop but the sequel is more clear on what it's about
Nisstyre-laptop I Am A Strange Loop
doomlord ok sounds interestign
Nisstyre-laptop doomlord: anyway, if you nest implementations of a computer in a computer eventually there will be a limit imposed by the physical situation
Nisstyre-laptop i.e. the memory and processor speed
gde33 only for limited thinkers
gde33 it's like entropy, only for people who are afraid to think :P
doomlord but dont physical systems also have practical limitations
gde33 yes but those are not what we imagine them to be
gde33 if only we knew the meaning of life, that would make things so much easier
Stryyker how?
rindolf I think the whole "AIs spawning AIs" dream is not a good strategy for doing software dev. I think programming is here to stay. It's not like humans can efficiently do what a dedicated polynomial time program can.
doomlord even humans get programmed, lol
rindolf doomlord: yes.
gde33 that new immortality project had some interesting videos
rindolf doomlord: a large part of human technology is mental.
rindolf doomlord: in fact, we can no longer survive without our mental technology. We couldn't for thousands of years.
gde33 oh but we can
gde33 just need a favorable environment
doomlord cultural template = human OS
gde33 not mine
rindolf gde33: you can survive without your mental technology? Even without conceptual thought?
gde33 not sure what you mean
gde33 isn't that what all the other species do?
doomlord i saw some TED talk trying to explain the difference between chinese and western spending/saving habits in the way the language encourages people to think about time
doomlord supposedly chinese language makes it harder to think of past,present,future seperately
gde33 languages can be really weird
gde33 all languages have the word "argument" but some want it to have aditional meanings, I believe in china an argument is equal to disobedience. lol
Belxjander huh?
gde33 in english it is a kind of fight
gde33 争 is a dispute 争论 is an argument or debate
gde33 I cant think of good examples, I used to know a girl who knew many languages
gde33 she showed me how some things are badly broken in some languages
doomlord is it true japanese can't say "no", they have to repeat the question in negative..
doomlord thats what we were told when learning but they must have a word for no surely
Belxjander doomlord: there is "Hai" for Yes and "iie" for no
doomlord so its just impolite to say "no" i guess
* Belxjander is living in Japan
Belxjander doomlord: you lose context...
Belxjander doomlord: in English you don't repeat
gde33 hah no
Belxjander but in Japanese you do
Belxjander gde33: depends on the person... my mother and father thought nothing of explaining politeness to me and will happilly talk overtop me when I am speaking
rindolf gde33: I only know (Modern) Hebrew, English, some mostly forgotten Written Arabic, and some French (which I'm now trying to regain).
Belxjander I have also run into the same from Chinese, Japanese, American, European AND African people I have met
rindolf gde33: well, I also know bits of other languages like Spanish, Russian, German, etc.
rindolf gde33: I know that in Hebrew we have compulsive genders for objects, so we don't care about phrasing sentences in a gender-neutral form, which is an English obsession.
rindolf gde33: I think it is parodied in this book - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinny_Legs_and_All_%28novel%29 (great one, BTW - taught me a lot).
doomlord heh languages with sexism built in.. gender all the way through
gde33 some languages are also more emotional than others
gde33 italians are hilarious
gde33 so much enthusiasm it makes you think something is going on
Belxjander gde33: spoken or written and the correct manner for if you are addressing "up/peer/down" the social ladder with regards respect... yes
gde33 Belxjander: does that apply to many words?
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“I need an Open Source Something…”

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user2013 I need open source remote desktop in j2me
rindolf user2013: hi.
rindolf user2013: you again?
user2013 I need open source remote desktop in j2me
user2013 I need open source remote desktop in j2me
rindolf user2013: we heard you.
atamagawarui user2013: I need an open-source, free rocket launcher in either VBScript or Batch!
sksupp can do
rindolf atamagawarui: heh.
rindolf atamagawarui: I prefer it in AutoCad's AutoLisp.
sksupp VBscript 3+ years experience, team can perform your task quik time 300 dollars paypal
rindolf atamagawarui: or in PDP-10 Assembly.
atamagawarui rindolf: haha
sksupp i guarantee if you put that on freelancer
sksupp offers will come
atamagawarui sksupp: lol, to whom are you going to outsource the task?
sksupp i know
sksupp i'll assign it as a project for this java class i TA
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Solving the Halting Problem

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inf-groupoid o0elise0o: mv seems pretty clear to me
o0elise0o i cant think of anything linux doesnt have aside from stability with a gui
inf-groupoid o0elise0o: There are lots of obscure commands, but mv is not one of them.
o0elise0o no i mean mv makes sense
rindolf o0elise0o: Linux cannot solve the halting problem.
rindolf o0elise0o: but neither can Windows.
o0elise0o but have no cls with every other command shortened seems odd to me
Oxyd Linux can solve the halting problem: kill -9 "$pid" && echo "Halts"
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What to do about Becoming Enraged By Java

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swineflu is there away i can basicly do if (input.equals("1" || "2" || "3")) {
rindolf swineflu: if (input.equals("1") || input.equals("2").
rindolf swineflu: Perl 6 has junctions for this.
Znoosey swineflu: in which language?
swineflu in java
swineflu also thats uglyyyyyy
Znoosey then rindolfs way is the way to do it
limbo_ swineflu: case from java 7 on, before that just use ifs
Znoosey rindolf: is perl 6 out of beta yet?
rindolf Znoosey: well, they released Rakudo Star, but it's not very usable.
Znoosey ah
Znoosey rindolf: do you know when it will be done?
rindolf Znoosey: I wouldn't recommend people to use Perl 6, but its junctions are still a cool feature and there's a Perl 5 impl at https://metacpan.org/module/Perl6::Junction .
swineflu java enrages me
Rounin You should stop implementing the Enrageable interface, swineflu
Rounin A common rookie mistake
swineflu Enrageable interface = swing
Rounin Instead you need a HarmoniousAndConstructiveReactionAccessorFactoryDAOInjector Object
Rounin You get it by incentivizing an EJB SproinkJunk
Rounin In your supplication gridwork of choice
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Misbehaving Printers

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cousteau damn printer... it's made like 4 fubared copies
cousteau jamming all the time, having to remove an accordion-shaped paper each time
cousteau turns out there was another sheet jammed, but it was hidden and the printer wasn't detecting it
pulse i wonder if printers will still jam paper in the year 3000
pulse maybe it's a paradox of physics
pulse a fluke in nature
`Gin I think its more down to the fact printer companies have been milking their cash cow dry, £10 in R&D each year. etc.
pulse maybe some day paper will become obsolete, then there will be no problem anymore
`Gin There are still employees at my job who would prefer to print an email out, read it and then reply to the email.
`Gin I don't have much hope for that dream pulse :P
pulse that's just stupid :P
cousteau pulse, how in the hell would printers work BETTER in the future?
cousteau the more intelligent they become, the more stupid things they'll do!
cousteau the machine rebellion will start with printers, it's a known fact
koollman I suppose the equivalent of paper jam with a 3d printer can get really messy
cousteau heh
koollman "we cannot access the printer, it is inside a large blob of solidified plastic"
koollman "the first maintenance team went in, but that was 2 days ago, and we are preparing a rescue mission"
pulse maybe they could produce the paper in the process
pulse maybe they'll print you a hologram
pulse lol
cousteau koollman, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grey_goo
koollman cousteau: yes, but that one would auto-reproduce, which is much more scary ;)
koollman although I guess a very advanced printer could print itself, it's the goal of reprap-like systems
pulse nothing a giant emp wave wouldn't fix
rindolf koollman: heh.
cousteau maybe the 3D printer accidentally gets programmed with printing a 3D copy of itself, and that copy turns out to be already programmed with the same program
pulse haha
cousteau 3D printer fork bomb!
koollman :)
rindolf Heh.
keepsake Ah, replicators.
* koollman remembers actually using a postscript 'bomb'
cousteau ...as an unrelated note, the :(){... forkbomb doesn't work on the `dash` interpreter
cousteau it says that : is not a valid function name
cousteau so you can fool your friends by trying to convince them that the forkbomb doesn't work
koollman cousteau: that's not to hard to modify, although the result will be less obscure. or is it that it doesn't support recursion ?
cousteau koollman, replace : with F and you have a working one
koollman ok, so just the character is forbidden as a name. a bit sad
cousteau or with _
koollman _ works, it's still quite hard to read :)
cousteau with _, if you tilt your head, it looks like a toilet on top of a tree
pulse that's some vivid imagination
wei2912 lol
cousteau or a chair or something
koollman pulse: shell programming may have unexpected side-effets ;)
pulse like waking up in a mental asylum
pulse ? :)
koollman nah. But I do remember making very bad jokes about zombie processes, reapers and clones
pulse hmm
koollman I woke up as a sysadmin, too. that may partially qualify
pulse lol
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What ##programming is all about?

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christos_ hey
rindolf christos_: hi.
Znoosey hello
christos_ we have topic here?
rindolf christos_: /topic
kimochiwarui christos_: Ummm... programming? :-O
rindolf christos_: anyway, we discuss programming and other stuff.
Znoosey christos_: the general topic seems to be type safety
Znoosey >_<
rindolf Znoosey: and Java questions.
rindolf Help with Java homework.
Znoosey rindolf: ah yes
rindolf From people who cannot indent correctly.
Znoosey rindolf: hahaha
rindolf Znoosey: :-)
Znoosey rindolf: the most amusing was the other day, when some guy posted his code on one line in here, so i asked him to pastebin it, and he did... still all in one line
rindolf Znoosey: heh.
rindolf Znoosey: Java golf!
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How well do Humans Execute Loops?

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rindolf ashmew2: hi.
ashmew2 hello rindolf .
rindolf ashmew2: what's up?
ashmew2 Sorry about the other day, my internet was acting weird. seems stable now
rindolf ashmew2: ah, that's OK. :-)
ashmew2 rindolf, just fixed issues that cropped up with a new router. Fixes the internet :D
RangerMauve I'll never forgive you
ashmew2 whats up with you?
ashmew2 RangerMauve, while(!forgiven) ask_forgiveness(); :P
rindolf ashmew2: I'm fine. Looking for a misplaced E-mail.
rindolf ashmew2: infinite loop!
ashmew2 Let's hope that's not an infinite loop.
ashmew2 :P
rindolf ashmew2: run it in a background process/thread.
ashmew2 hahaha
rindolf ashmew2: :-)
ashmew2 not necessarily infinite, we don't know how the variable forgiven is modified by the called function :P :P
rindolf ashmew2: well, this is pseudocode.
RangerMauve ashmew2: It could be potentially infinite if I die
ashmew2 RangerMauve, don't let the requests be pending then :D
ashmew2 for the sake of infinite rise in universal entropy.
RangerMauve Maybe I want it to happen. Manye I'm some sort of existential anarchist
ashmew2 well, Anarchy, no matter how inviting, doesn't really lead to fruitful consequences. But i guess that's individualistic at best.
RangerMauve 2deep4me
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FizzBees

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rindolf Oh, God, FizzBuzz discussion.
Rounin rindolf: Which framework do you think is best for FizzBuzz? I'm thinking Spring, Hibernate and Struts, with jQuery for the user-facing parts, of course
Rounin To properly print the lines, you see
Rounin Also FizzBuzz in C# is hopelessly out of date
* Rounin ducks and grabs popcorn
adsc fizzbuzz can be a challenging exercise if you require an exotic language like Chef
adsc you know what would be cool? A language that has an implementation for all such trivial programming exercises in the standard lib. Just imagine how confused a noob programmer would be when he couldn't just fizzBuzz() in standard C to solve the exercise...
Rounin :P
Rounin atoi is a nice exercise though
moop adsc: write one, become the hero that beginners need
moop call it nooblib
moop become famous
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Crypto Time Exchange

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rindolf Today I got the idea for "crypto-time" similar to crypto-currency - BitSeconds.
rindolf Not sure how it will work.
Paper What would the benefit of having lots of BitSeconds be?
pyon rindolf: Ah.
rdevilla rindolf: you are enabling pedophiles, terrorists, and drug dealers
pyon rdevilla: wat
rindolf rdevilla: heh.
sirdancealot and time thieves
rdevilla especially time thieves
rdevilla think of all the time laundering
rindolf Reminds me of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momo_%28novel%29
pyon rdevilla: Time thieves? You mean like those silly Facebook games that steal your time?
rdevilla pyon: the Steam sale has taken up far too much of my holiday already ._.
pyon rdevilla: Heh. :-)
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Fine Literature (about svn.php.net)

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olamachon Yay! svn.php.net is back up.
rindolf olamachon: <olamachon> Yay! svn.php.net is back up.
rindolf <doomlord__> xeno_ actually seeing rust on ==> that's great.
olamachon rindolf: ?
rindolf olamachon: sorry, I meant that it's great that svn.php.net is up.
olamachon rindolf: haha ya. Pretty exciting, might write a short novella about it.
rindolf olamachon: heh.
olamachon The Svniliion: The trials and tribulations of a programmers journey to get information about php
rindolf “The day when svn.php.net returned.” -- by olamachon
rindolf olamachon: heh.
olamachon rindolf: Ah thats it. So much better.
olamachon rindolf: Hopefully I'll get like a 10 sec clip in some svn documentary on the history channel
XMPPwocky rindolf: you *know* that the people working on svn.php had to have an offline backup
rindolf olamachon: I like your title too.
olamachon rindolf: "And it went down, and that is how I knew it was the beginning of the end"
rindolf olamachon: heh.
XMPPwocky rindolf: because otherwise nobody could remember which way the arguments go for anything
rindolf olamachon: “I sulked in my suffering. It was the kind of suffering that tore your heart to shreds. A programmer’s suffering. Nothing could equal it.”
olamachon XMPPwocky: ya I was thinking about asking my fellow ner... connoisseurs.... if they might have a backup
olamachon rindolf: "a lonely life full of 1's and 0's"
rindolf olamachon: heh.
olamachon rindolf: I smell the beginning of an organically grown IRC novel
rindolf olamachon: this would definitely make a bestseller.
rindolf olamachon: heh.
rindolf olamachon: maybe I'll prepare a convo log out of it - http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/sharp-programming.html
olamachon hahahah
rindolf olamachon: “I remembered the happy days when I was using the svn server back when it was at its prime. Running. Functioning. These days seem so distant now.”
rindolf LOL.
olamachon rindolf: "Soon I realized we were at a turning point in a cultural revolution"
rindolf olamachon: hmm... you can do "better" than that.
rindolf olamachon: http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/stories/ - I actually wrote some novellas and screenplay-of-sorts here.
olamachon rindolf: right right, novellas. I was thinking more like I was the glue guy in a documentary
olamachon rindolf: So I was trying to be super cliche
rindolf olamachon: ah.
rindolf olamachon: so was I.
olamachon rindolf: I like the ironic cliche where it actually means nothing
olamachon rindolf: its just all good sounding filler
rindolf “I looked at the clock on my desktop. Each seconds seemed like a century. What will I do without the svn server online? What can I do? What can I do about it? Who am I asking all these questions?”
rindolf olamachon: I wonder where I first read cliches such as that. Maybe it was someone parodying them.
olamachon rindolf: "Then I had an existential epiphany. What is SVN? What am I? What are we doing in this universe? This foray into the metaphysical was cut short by a brief glance at the clock. It's 5 o'clock. f**k this s**t, I'm getting drunk."
rindolf olamachon: heh.
rindolf olamachon: do you actually write?
olamachon rindolf: never
rindolf olamachon: ah, I see.
olamachon rindolf: is it that obvious? haha
rindolf olamachon: you may be a natural.
olamachon rindolf: I wrote like an essay or two in university, they were like 2 pages haha
rindolf olamachon: ah, so little?
olamachon rindolf: I read a copious amount of literature
rindolf olamachon: ah, OK.
rindolf olamachon: OK, I'll keep this conversation.
olamachon rindolf: Perhaps that has a prolific effect on my penchant for the perverse verbosity?
rindolf olamachon: and put it on that page.
rindolf olamachon: yes, maybe.
olamachon rindolf: Sure. I feel like we may be getting a bit off-topic here
rindolf olamachon: yes, well, svn.php.net is back - that's what important.
rindolf Seize the svn.
rindolf Carpe svn!
olamachon rindolf: Nice. I see what you did there. I am literally doing that as fast as I can
rindolf Well, not sure the Latin is right.
olamachon carpe is the seize part
rindolf "Occupy svn.php.net!"
olamachon diem is day
rindolf olamachon: yes, I know.
rindolf But maybe svn has to be conjugated.
olamachon oh was carpe diem an idiom?
olamachon carpe svnus?
rindolf Carpe svni?
olamachon ^
rindolf Carpe svna?
rindolf Carpe svnis?
rindolf Not sure.
rindolf My Latin is weak.
rindolf I know the plural of Pentium is Pentia.
pyon olamachon: "Carpe diem" means something like "live/enjoy this day"
olamachon pyon: Seize the day
pyon Yeah.
rindolf Well, carpe meant quite a few things.
rindolf In Latin at least.
olamachon This is unbelievably slow. On a 1gbps connection, php docs have been downloading for 15 minutes so far
rindolf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpe_diem
rindolf olamachon: I see.
olamachon I'm trying to grab it all incase I need it later, but with my luck it will drop out again before the 1 file I need
Channel ##programming
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Tagline We’re not novelists, we just play ones on IRC

What’s in a name?

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Rad- gcc `xml2-config --cflags` -g lib.c -o lib `xml2-config --libs`
rindolf Rad-: you called your executable "lib"? It's a common name for directories.
Rad- ...yes
Rad- i'll change it later i just got lazy
rindolf Rad-: ah.
rindolf Rad-: 1. Are you using version control? 2. Do you have automated tests?
Binary_Digit This is the hardest part of programming - choosing a name for the dev directory.
Rad- no, no?
rindolf Rad-: well, you should on both accounts.
pulse Binary_Digit++
pulse i hate that part
Denommus Binary_Digit: uh, src?
indigo Binary_Digit: projects
pulse i thought he meant the project name folder
Binary_Digit src is fine if you're only ever going to write one program
Denommus ah, for the directory where the projects will be!
Denommus I always name it "Projects"
Binary_Digit all your programs are called 'Projects'?
they Shouldn't you use a top-level qualifier?
Binary_Digit Cool.
pulse lol
Denommus Binary_Digit: no, the directory where the projects are
they For instance, if you're making a library called "Jail", have the top-level folder named "Jail"? So the namespaces below would be "Jail.Whatever"?
Denommus Binary_Digit: I always think about some name when starting a project
Rad- rindolf: well i'm writing the tests. my program is a proof of working functions... well it's supposed to be anyway
Denommus they: yup
Binary_Digit Q: How do I do <foo>? A: easy, just use Projects to do the first bit, then switch to Projects to do the next bit, and pipe the output through Projects
* jrslepak just names a project's directory based on the name of the project
Binary_Digit jrslepak, so you still have the same problem
pulse i find it hard to come up with project names that don't suck
Binary_Digit Denommus solves it by calling every project 'Projects'
jrslepak Binary_Digit: what problem do I have?
Binary_Digit But I prefer to find more original names
pulse i'm afraid i'm going to pick some well-known name, then i'll get sued and will have to walk around in a barrel
Binary_Digit jrslepak, the problem of picking a name for your project
Denommus Binary_Digit: stop putting words on my mouth, I hate it
benzrf Binary_Digit: one of the two hard things in programming
Binary_Digit Denommus, oh, I think you'll survive.
Binary_Digit Especially if that graph is anything to go by.
Binary_Digit But all right, I apologise.
pulse benzrf, the other being actually getting to work?
Binary_Digit Ah, bring back florin5
Binary_Digit I have a project for him
Binary_Digit A project name generator!
Binary_Digit Only problem is: what to call it?
pulse project name namer
rindolf Rad-: they do? Why?
rindolf Binary_Digit: heh, it should be self-hosting.
benzrf pulse: 'two hard things in programming
benzrf cache invalidation and naming things'
pulse hmm
benzrf or maybe it was 'in compsci'
rindolf benzrf: '...and off by one errors'.
benzrf well known quote tho
benzrf rindolf: huehuehue
benzrf i saw that one
pulse yeah, those are tricky
benzrf christ i hate fencepost errors
benzrf they get me every time -.-
rindolf benzrf: I had a lot of them in a recent Project Euler problem.
Binary_Digit I think I shall call my latest project Bernard. Or possibly Saskatchewan.
pulse Binary_Digit, i find you could develop all sorts of names from fruit names
rindolf Rad-: well, you can use them for your own personal use.
pulse have a timer project? call it pineapple timer
benzrf rindolf: :(
pulse makes it sound fresh
pulse and exciting
Binary_Digit Oh yeah - Apple - or Blackberry - or Raspberry - or Apricot
Binary_Digit I don't suppose any of those are taken
pulse tomatomation
pulse :D
pulse stands for tomato automation
Binary_Digit I suppose the only way out is to pick a good name *first*, and then decide what would be the best program to fit that name. eg Project Turnip could be a Turing machine for kids
benzrf Binary_Digit: amazing
Binary_Digit yeah, I know - I think I'm too tired for IRC right now, talking nonsense
Channel ##programming
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Two men sharing frustrations with their hair.

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NBP FFS
NBP my hair never looks good
NBP it's getting ridiculous
NBP fuck this hair
rindolf NBP: my hair is a disaster area too.
rindolf NBP: it grows in all directions and grows quickly, and it's always out of shape.
rindolf When I brush it it looks weirder.
rindolf NBP: heh, two guys discussing hair.
NBP mine doesn't grow in some parts anymore
NBP but where it does grow it looks terrible
rindolf NBP: ah.
rindolf NBP: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8cDbj8mLKg - Ape of Death has hair problems too.
rindolf NBP: that's my favourite part out of The Mighty Boosh.
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Tagline Having a bad hair life

Trolling konverse the Troll

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rindolf Macuser: I Went to an anime/manga con - https://twitter.com/shlomif/status/492341211827404800
NextFunctor roflcon
rindolf gde33: you can use AdBlockPlus.
gde33 that doesnt work, with a central server they have to pay a lot for hostiing
konverse This guy is hilarious. rindolf!
gde33 I have to watch advertisements to make the centralized control work
gde33 because it doesn't
gde33 yeah this "service"
rindolf konverse: who is?
gde33 meanwhile the tubes are so fast that the hd torrent is finished before I can tab to the client
gde33 uhhuhuhu??
gde33 oh I said torrent *shrug*
rindolf Macuser: BTW, do you know iJustine on YouTube/etc.? She's awesome.
gde33 you are assuming i'm not uploading
rindolf There are other business models for Web revenue - https://plus.google.com/+ShlomiFish/posts/MRLntf3xu5Y
gde33 ahh the greed based garbage interwebs
konverse What else rindolf?
rindolf gde33: greed?
rindolf konverse: what?
rindolf konverse: I don't understand you.
konverse Am I trolling you? Sorry if I interrupted.
jrslepak just because you do things for strangers for free doesn't mean other strangers aren't doing things for you for free
rindolf konverse: please be more coherent.
gde33 konverse: not at all
gde33 you could just, you know, work for your money?
rindolf konverse: vague person is vague.
konverse Heh. We're marking tertiaries. I'm glad.
rindolf <perlbot> rindolf: vague question is really, really vague, in fact it's so fucking vague that you can't even caption a cat with it because the cat would DIE OF VAGUE
konverse rindolf: So as is robust to robots?
rindolf konverse: find someplace else to troll.
konverse Hah! Got you.
konverse Where have my poor fingers gone?
konverse Somewhere in the sewers! Bwahahahaha.
rindolf konverse: I hope they get caught there and you'll have to live with the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles who will kick the ass out of you.
konverse OOooh.
rindolf konverse: them and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megan_Fox .
konverse Touchy. Did you have to man that?
NextFunctor Access violated @ that insult
rindolf konverse: man?
konverse Yah mon.
rindolf konverse: yeh money!
konverse Well, there ya go.
konverse Humanity at its' finest.
rindolf konverse: money talks, bullshit walks, and GNU awks!
NextFunctor yeh boi, freeze! how low can you go? - Public Enemy ft. Anthrax
konverse Well deserved credit, mon.
NextFunctor I'm curious Konverse
NextFunctor Are you even a programmer?
rindolf konverse: http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/humanity/ - «Humanity - The Movie»
gde33 konverse: what basic do you write in?
konverse I do know the basics of some langs. Compared to this wumpus, I have more experience than even what kind of taste his art is.
rindolf gde33: he writes in basic trolling English.
konverse There goes more credit. +1.
konverse Bitcoin talker.
rindolf konverse: I'm not worthy! I'm not worthy! I'm not worth!
* rindolf erects a giant status of konverse and worships it.
rindolf Your holiness!
rindolf Your godliness!
* wei2912 bows in front of the statue
rindolf Your ChuckNorrisness!
wei2912 wait, status*
rindolf wei2912: also kiss its feet.
wei2912 your status glorifies us!
gde33 the only interpreter should be hardware design language, then we should go back to the cartridge system
wei2912 glorious leader
wei2912 we will follow you for the rest of your life!
wei2912 your status shall be in our hearts!
rindolf wei2912: yes.
rindolf wei2912: heh.
konverse It's not over rindolf. Soon, there'll be butterflies. Then there'll be birds and cats wraunching at each other.
rindolf http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/facts/Summer-Glau/ - Summer Glau > Chuck Norris.
wei2912 (next day: Status changed to: "these idiots engraved my status, now it won't automatically update"
konverse I'm pretty sure. You have something planned?
rindolf konverse: your SummerGlau-ness!
gde33 rindolf: do you make a lot of money with your website?
rindolf konverse: nothing is over until either or both of us are dead! D. E. D. Dead!
rindolf gde33: not a lot yet.
konverse Yes. Wanna race? I'll play tag first. You're it.
* rindolf eats the tag.
rindolf Om nom nom nom. Delicious.
rindolf Here's a tag for you - <br class="foo" />
rindolf It's an XHTML tag.
konverse That's rhetorical rindolf. You should have type casted.
gde33 rindolf: oh that will be sure to make things easy!
konverse Why the long face??? :<
rindolf http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Muppets-Show-TNI/Harry-Potter.html - Cookie Monster as Dumbledore 2.
konverse Ah. Just a frame. A portrait. We're there any fleas?
konverse rindolf: You're pathetic.
konverse Period.
rindolf konverse: I am pathetic.
wei2912 humans are pathetic
rindolf konverse: I perfected patheticness to an artform.
konverse I won't go for stats, 'cause I can already tell by just a lift of a knob, I can twist things around.
rindolf konverse: my patheticness is unmatched even by Chuck Norris' patheticness.
rindolf ZadYree: ewwwww!
rindolf ZadYree: what's up?
ZadYree yo rindolf :)
ZadYree Well, trying to convince myself it's time to code ^^
rindolf ZadYree: how's life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness today?
rindolf ZadYree: Stop! Coding time!
ZadYree Hehehe
konverse What if I do this? ><````'i> j-------\p
rindolf ZadYree: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo - Stop! Hammer Time.
rindolf konverse: ASCII art?
gde33 konverse: you have to wrap it in a cdata section
ZadYree rindolf, hehehe! Oh yeah!
konverse You're so obvious rindolf.
konverse I guess the wait watchers have no idea.
rindolf ZadYree: meet konverse - he's my target of counter-trolling.
rindolf konverse: s/wait/weight/
konverse rindolf: Guess what? I'm trolling your website. I'll go and rate it.
rindolf konverse: go ahead. Make my day!
ZadYree troll day is best day
konverse OOOOoooooh.
rindolf konverse: any publicity is good publicity.
konverse Like, how you started the alpha?
rindolf konverse: alpha?
rindolf konverse: alpha of what?
rindolf ZadYree: heh.
konverse Nm.
rindolf ZadYree: "It's a good day to troll!"
rindolf konverse: whatever.
rindolf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf7MT1p1VNI - whatever.
ZadYree rindolf, :)
Channel ##programming
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The Round Trip Delay of Approaching a Girl

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rindolf protist: I realised Sarah Michelle Gellar starred in the same show as Robin Williams. They played a father and daughter.
protist rindolf: you are obsessed with her :p
rindolf And the father divorced her mother and left her mother to raise her on her own, kinda like SMG in real life.
rindolf protist: I *iz* obsessed with her.
rindolf protist: she was one of my first loves.
protist rindolf: haha
rindolf protist: I was recently obsessed with Jennifer Lawrence too - I like the alpha female/insurgent/antagonist/rebel type of girls.
rindolf protist: over at the Technion , I kinda hit on a girl with a nose ring who coloured her hair black, but she turned out to already have a bf.
rindolf protist: since then I realised I should be more honest and direct and also reduce the round-trip/time-to-market delay.
protist rindolf: round-trip/time-to-market delay?
protist rindolf: and a lot of girls will just say they have a boyfriend :p...and sometimes they do it to test you, because oddly they are only interested in a guy who persists in spite of the fake boyfriend
Jck_true protist: Yeah you might not wanna mention ROI [= "Return On Investment"] when you're asking a girl on a date...
protist rindolf: but sometimes it is lack of interest...and sometimes they really do have a boyfriend
protist Jck_true: what do you mean? :p
rindolf Jck_true: heh.
protist Jck_true: I'm doing the monogamy thing at the moment
rindolf Jck_true++ # Made me laugh.
rindolf "What's your favourite position? CTO!"
pyon protist: Wouldn't it be easier to simply say "not interested, bye"?
pyon protist: I mean, in the case where they aren't interested.
protist pyon: When do you ever remember girls being simple?
Jck_true The Freaking FCC :)
pyon protist: True that.
protist pyon: and sometimes they may tell you they have a boyfriend...and actually have one...but will still sleep with you
protist pyon: they might tell you just so you know that this is supposed to be discrete lol
vendu pyon, nothing is simple with/about women :D
vendu hey rindolf
rindolf protist: http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/show.cgi?id=sharp-xkcd-programming-languages-sex-talk - Haskell Sex.
protist rindolf: i saw that when you linked it before :)
rindolf <vendu> pyon, nothing is simple with/about women :D ==> lies! Just read "Women for dummies" and you're set!
pyon rindolf: lol
vendu hehe
vendu =)
Svetlana ffs
rindolf HikaruBG: hi, no idea.
rindolf Svetlana: hi.
rindolf Svetlana: what's wrong?
rindolf Svetlana: I hope you were not too offended by our sex talk or pseudo-sex talk here.
rindolf We're not sexist - we just play ones in real life.
HikaruBG Svetlana, what is ffs?
rindolf Well, there's a difference between sexist and sexualised.
rindolf HikaruBG: "FFS = for fuck's sake".
Svetlana No, I'm not offended at the conversation. I am offended at how lame work I'm doing at setting focus and priorities, though. I am trying to get mediawiki running but in fact I'm not sure it's a good idea for me to do so or what I would be working on.
HikaruBG thankd rindolf, i have learned something new today .... that early in the morning :)
HikaruBG Svetlana, just take a 15 and step out from the office. Then figure all priorities out.
Svetlana How do you define "take a 15"?
grim001 15 milliseconds
sandeep vendu: hi
HikaruBG 15 minutes ... :)
HikaruBG clean your head a bit
HikaruBG fresh air
rindolf Svetlana: yes, maybe take a walk.
rindolf Svetlana: ah, I'm glad you're not offended.
HikaruBG on another hand, Svetlana, where are you trying to deploy mediawiki?
rindolf Well, boys will be boys (and girls will be girls).
Channel ##programming
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Tagline “Baby, we’re so direct, we need to be on the same subnet!”

Life According To Valentine

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rindolf In my imagination, my concept at the time of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Michelle_Gellar , who was a relatively wild and polyamorous girl (but still an awesome one) decided to duplicate herself and then said "I am going to call my new self 'Valentine'". So she gets duplicated and her duplicate then says "So I'm Valentine, right?"
njcomsec does polyamorous mean a slut?
rindolf njcomsec: well, not exactly.
rindolf njcomsec: thing is - she was very picky about which guys she got involved with. But if she slept with you once, you don't need to worry about it happening again.
pyon Is it not possible to have a fixed, small but non-singleton set of romantic partners?
rindolf pyon: what does that mean?
njcomsec i wouldnt worry about it :)
njcomsec in fact i would worry she might NOT want to again
njcomsec pyon i believe that is called open relationship
njcomsec i am open to this idea
njcomsec but so far i cant even find one nice girl who will date me
njcomsec so this is the first step
o0elise0o i have this problem where if i sleep with someone i usually dont want to ever again
njcomsec thats cute
pyon rindolf: A singleton set is a set with exactly one element. A small, non-singleton set of romantic partners would be, for example, having two or three romantic partners, but not having sex with arbitrary people.
rindolf Also , Miranda Kerr recently bragged about all the great sex she's been getting with various willing men after being separated from her husband (= Orlando Bloom). I say - all the power to her.
rindolf pyon: ah.
rindolf pyon: well, she had a fixed (But often growin or getting reduced) set of those.
pyon rindolf: Well... if it is often growing or shrinking, it is not fixed.
gde33|2 o0elise0o: try costumes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJgYxWhDDWc
rindolf pyon: ah.
rindolf pyon: well, if her lovers had entered a relationship, she stopped sleeping with them.
rindolf pyon: although not permanently.
pyon rindolf: Ah!
rindolf I imagined a short students' film about Valentine Gellar's life.
rindolf It starts with showing her riding a bus and then there are the immortal words "I used to be Sarah Michelle Gellar".
rindolf And Valentine had a steady boyfriend and also studied for a Ph.D. Well, she's a professor now.
rindolf Anyway, at one point she visits her and Sarah's mother, who admits that while she knows that Valentine is technically her daughter, she causes her so few troubles and is so great, that she has a hard time thinking of her as her daughter - she's more like a younger friend.
gde33|2 rindolf: you are spoiling the whole movie!
rindolf gde33|2: heh, it's not a real film.
gde33|2 you underacheaver!
gde33|2 I say, make it so
rindolf And then she visits a guy and sees that his room is in disarray and after she queries him for this he says "Ah, yes, Sarah was here last night. We had an awesome time." So Valentine says: "She couldn't have been! She stayed up late at a benefit and went to bed past 1 AM exhausted." . So he thinks for a moment and says: "So it wasn't her! No biggie."
KAROLINA rindolf: are you fluffy?
rindolf KAROLINA: no, I'm Fluttershy.
KAROLINA rindolf: What is a fluffershy?
rindolf And there's also a part where the original SMG and Valentine recall some memories from their mutual past together.
KAROLINA JamesNZ are you fluffy?
rindolf KAROLINA: s/ffer/tter/
KAROLINA rindolf: i dont understand you
JamesNZ KAROLINA: Nope.
rindolf KAROLINA: Fluttershy is the sensitive pony in My Little Pony- http://mlp.wikia.com/wiki/Fluttershy
KAROLINA rindolf: but i like Fluffle betteR!?
rindolf KAROLINA: what is fluffle?
KAROLINA rindolf: Google Fluffle!
KAROLINA and then go to pictures
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How to win over a young boy in a pretend gun fight.

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rindolf thecha: hi, what's up?
thecha not much. I am running my trisquel gnu/linux from an usb now
thecha and you?
rindolf thecha: I've been redditting and twittering.
rindolf thecha: and I went on a walk now.
pulse hi rindolf
rindolf thecha: I met a father with two children. he scolded them.
rindolf thecha: I asked him for their names and he said "why does it matter?" :-(
rindolf pulse: hi.
rindolf I also saw a lady sitting on a bench with two Pekinese dogs - one male and one female.
rindolf they barked at me.
rindolf Maybe she was afraid of me (their owner I mean).
ezrios dogs bark at everything
rindolf I also saw some bird watchers in the park earlier in the morning.
rindolf ezrios: some dogs are amazingly calm.
rindolf ezrios: I once met a huge Caucasian Shepherd dog who was less than one years old and called "Rambo" who was super-calm.
rindolf His owner was also very friendly.
ezrios a super-calm Rambo eh
epitamizor cool story bro
rindolf They say the dog and its owner resemble each other.
rindolf epitamizor: every story is cool with the right attitude.
rindolf epitamizor: http://www.reddit.com/r/TMNT/comments/2d9fo7/postrelease_movie_discussion_thread_2/ck3khga - see this.
rindolf ezrios: yes , amazing.
rindolf ezrios: Rambo was the epitome of a tough all powerful super-muscular anti-geeky warrior/action-hero.
rindolf ezrios: but the fact of the matter is that the best combat warriors in the world are: 1. Not very muscular. 2. Geeks.
rindolf http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/philosophy/putting-all-cards-on-the-table-2013/DocBook5/putting-all-cards-on-the-table-2013/best_warriors.html
thecha ok i will try
thecha the dog probably ws being agressive because the owners mood was affecting him
thecha the owner probably was being hostile so the dog followed suit
thecha and the guy with the kids should have just said the names isntead of being a dick about it
thecha you go for walks often?
rindolf thecha: yes, I go for walks a lot.
rindolf thecha: yes, this father should learn some things after fatherhood.
rindolf thecha: the children were nice.
rindolf Oh! and on the way upstairs there was a very young boy with a toy gun and I pretended to wage an imaginary war with him. He enjoyed it.
thecha rindolf-> who won the imaginary shoot out?
rindolf thecha: he did I think.
rindolf thecha: I let him win.
rindolf thecha: he seemed to have enjoyed it.
rindolf thecha: children can be so smart.
pulse i don't think age has anything to do with smartness
rindolf thecha: and it helped brighten my day.
rindolf pulse: yes.
rindolf pulse: I have actually grown smarter with age.
pulse i've grown wiser. not much smarter
rindolf pulse: ah.
rindolf pulse: what's your distinction?
rindolf pulse: I've grown wiser too.
pulse smart is the ability to calculate things fast
pulse wise is the ability to live your life ;)
rindolf pulse: there are more parameters to intelligence than doing fast calculations.
pulse i guess there's certain correlation between the two
rindolf pulse: yes.
pulse i know. there's different types of intelligence
pulse but most types boil down to two things. calculations and speed
rindolf pulse: ah. IQ?
pulse any kind of intelligence
pulse IQ is a sort of generalization of all types
rindolf pulse: see https://twitter.com/shlomif/status/495252148775436288 - «Forget #IQ! #Sloppy → #Confident → #Smart!! #TeamGrimmie #confidence #competence #PublishOrPerish»
pulse but it's also stupid
pulse rindolf, hmm
pulse what am i supposed to see there :P
pulse i still don't know how twitter works
pulse what are those hashtags supposed to be
pyon rindolf: Meh, sloppiness is just sloppiness.
pyon rindolf: One can be flexible without lowering one's own standards.
thecha rindolf you can't let the enemy win
rindolf thecha: yes, bring the Delta Team with Chuck Norris, Sylvester Stalone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, and.. Summer Glau (!♥:-)) against this boy.
rindolf there shall be blood tonight!
ssta you really are obsessed with this Summer Glau
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Spreading the love.

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rindolf aidanh: I've solved PRoject Euler #141 yesterday and learned a valuable lesson about excessive forking to processes and capturing their output.
Snake2k rindolf: Indeed >_>
rindolf Namely: it kills performance.
rindolf Snake2k: where do you live?
Snake2k rindolf: I need to start doing Project Euler again :|
rindolf Snake2k: ah.
rindolf Snake2k: we can become friends there.
Snake2k rindolf: Northern Virginia, pretty much a mile or two away from D.C.
rindolf Snake2k: ah.
Snake2k rindolf: We can still be friends >_>
rindolf Snake2k: heh.
rindolf Snake2k: I don't friend Northern Virginians!
rindolf Snake2k: ;-)
* Snake2k does "gcc -Wall hug_rindolf.c -o hug --std=c11"
* Snake2k does "./hug"
rindolf Snake2k: southern virginians on the other hand...
* Snake2k gets "Segmentation Fault (core dumped)"
Snake2k rindolf: Why? :'( we're nice and shit :(
rindolf Snake2k: heh, I'm just joking.
rindolf Snake2k: I'm cool with Northern Virginians.
Twey rindolf: ‘It kills performance’ — depends on your definition of ‘process’. POSIX processes are huge, but green threads in e.g. Haskell or Erlang are usually very cheap and can be used without much consideration.
* DarkCthulhu has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
rindolf Twey: I Was talking about POSIX processes.
rindolf Twey: I captured the output of "factor" for convenience, and it proved to be a major slowdown.
rindolf Twey: ERLANG! Munctional! Parallelism!
Snake2k rindolf: but you hurt ma feelz :'(
rindolf Snake2k: heh.
Tawre Snake2k, just commit violence against him
Tawre it'll fix everything
Tawre and if it doesn't you're not using enough violence
Snake2k Tawre: good idea :|
* Snake2k hugs the living rindolf out of rindolf
Myrl I wonder if normal algebra would be fine with you using lambda functions.
* rindolf sends 1e12 virtual kisses to Northern Virginia.
Myrl Or curried functions.
* Tawre kisses rindolf 0e13 times.
Myrl guys get a room.
rindolf Tawre: heh.
rindolf Myrl: we got ##programming !
Snake2k this is getting weird...
rindolf It's a chat-room!
Snake2k I hug... I don't do virtual kisses...
* Snake2k slithers away...
* Snake2k is all creeped out and shit...
rindolf s/kisses/hugs/
Tawre Snake2k, well, we can kill it "hugs" too if you want ;)
* Snake2k slithers back
Snake2k Tawre: <______________<
Twey rindolf: ‘Parallelism’ — er… yeah. That's what you wanted :þ
Tawre we can do parallel hugs too
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Baseless

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ams rebase is fun
Church- Base in general is fun.
sir_galahad_ad 3rd base isn't bad
Church- I mean come on man, are you a base-head or not?!
Faylite 4th base is fun
sir_galahad_ad Base 16 is kinda neato
* rindolf is all about that base.
* sir_galahad_ad high-fives rindolf
rindolf sir_galahad_ad: http://www.fivefingertees.com/all-about-that-base-no-rebels-t-shirt.html
Faylite You can't use base jokes any more, cause all your base are belong to us.
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3 Years Experience in Swift

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_blizzy_ lol at people who are looking to hire people who have 3 years experience of Swift.
pulse i have 1 year of experience with Swift and i've developed a minor depression in that time
pulse should i sue oracle?
apotheon I love how everyone who wrote three lines of code for the Linux kernel these days can now refer to his or her code running on things somewhere other than Earth to make themselves sound good, now.
rindolf _blizzy_: heh.
_blizzy_ I have 4 years experience with Swift and 10 years experience of Node.
_blizzy_ hire me.
rindolf _blizzy_: wasn't Swift created less than a year ago?
_blizzy_ rindolf, that's the joke.
rindolf _blizzy_: yes.
pulse oh, you mean Swift
pulse as in apple
_blizzy_ node wasn't around also 10 years ago.
rindolf _blizzy_: yes.
_blizzy_ rindolf, oh.
_blizzy_ https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/320ujx/why_cant_programmers_program_is_print_100_to_1/
pulse could they choose a more stupid name
_blizzy_ I tripped on that problem.
apotheon _blizzy_: If you don't have thirty years of experience with Java, you don't qualify.
pulse only if they called it PHP 2 maybe it would be stupider
_blizzy_ print 100 -> 1, but start with (for i=0
rindolf _blizzy_: «Chuck Norris has 50 years of proven experience in PHP/MySQL/Java. Each.»
_blizzy_ rindolf, Chuck Norris made a new sorting algorithm.
_blizzy_ roundhouse sorting.
pulse chuck norris once outrun himself
_blizzy_ 2003.
_blizzy_ I hope no one
_blizzy_ attempts to crash my app. c:
wei2912 rindolf: chuck norris can compile any randomly generated code with GCC
rindolf wei2912: :-)
apotheon That's impressive. GCC sometimes doesn't even compile standards compliant code.
pulse chuck norris can roll a joint while swimming
_blizzy_ CN slammed a revolving door.
Twey pulse: They could have chosen a much stupider name, like ‘Go’.
_blizzy_ Twey, or Java
wei2912 lmao
_blizzy_ I kid.
pulse Twey, well at least Go doesn't have any bad connotations ... as far as i know
_blizzy_ GO is actually
_blizzy_ decent.
* Twey resolves to call his next project ‘The’
apotheon Java isn't a stupid name. It was just ruined by association with the language.
pulse when i hear Swift, all i can think of is those horrible layout patterns in Netbeans
rindolf wei2912: Chuck Norris once wrote a 10 million lines C++ program in MS Notepad without hitting the backspace key. And it compiled without errors or warnings and was 100% bug free.
_blizzy_ Java is bad imo.
Twey pulse: I mostly think of the bird
pulse chuck norris once made a program that was 110% bug free
wei2912 rindolf: Chuck Norris once wrote Swift Swiftly
rindolf pulse: and he donated the extra 10% for charity.
_blizzy_ Chuck Norris once wrote a Whitespace program without whitespace.
apotheon pulse: Only once? Slacker.
pulse rindolf, :D
wei2912 he Goes on to write Go
Twey _blizzy_: That's easy
ams isn't everything readable in go by default?
pulse ams, that's what they said about Python
apotheon Go is an excellent Java replacement.
ams :-)
Twey _blizzy_: (the empty program is a valid Whitespace program)
_blizzy_ Twey, oh.
_blizzy_ time to learn meteor.
pulse i imagine it's possible to open a wormhole to another dimension using just javascript
_blizzy_ it's possible in Python
_blizzy_ import wormhole
apotheon _blizzy_: I hear excellent things about Meteor. I also hear bad things . . . like the fact it's a JavaScript framework.
pulse _blizzy_, from __future__?
_blizzy_ pulse, of course.
wei2912 heh
apotheon pulse: Yes, that's possible, but only if you do it by accident.
apotheon (re: JavaScript)
_blizzy_ you gotta add 'use strict'; for it to work.
Znoosey pulse: why would a wormhole be to another dimension?
apotheon I'm pretty sure neither Python nor JavaScript uses strict.
_blizzy_ JS does.
Znoosey pulse: wormholes goes to other places in the galaxy, it does not move between dimensions
pulse Znoosey, i thought all wormholes lead to dimensions with silly rabbits and such
apotheon Srsly? I clearly haven't been writing "enough" JavaScript.
_blizzy_ https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Strict_mode
apotheon I haven't yet encountered that.
Znoosey galaxy = universe
pulse apotheon, yeah, JS has use strict :L
pulse Znoosey, wat
Znoosey in my sentence it is!
Twey As a string.
Znoosey I just messed it up :P
pulse galaxy is a subset of the universe
Twey I thought that was a joke about Python's True = False
pulse a universe might be a subset of a multiverse :P
Znoosey pulse: yes, I messed it up in my sentence
pulse a multiverse might be a subset of itself o_O
Znoosey a multiverse is a subset of space
pulse well what is space then
Znoosey space might be infinite
_blizzy_ why is True = False even legal
_blizzy_ in Python.
pulse _blizzy_, because of reasons
pulse it's illegal in 3.0 afaik
Twey _blizzy_: It's not in Py3
_blizzy_ omg
apotheon pulse: I think that instead of "galaxy = universe" what Znoosey meant was "s/galaxy/universe/".
_blizzy_ somehow sneak True = False into a python 2 program
fykos Guys, why the arraylist only adds the last token to the list?http://pastebin.com/YbHLEqnA
pulse apotheon, universe = universe? o_.
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English Spelling

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amigojapan it seems the Tokyo Hackerspace has finally moved to it’s new location, I was waiting for this in order to give my programming 101 class over at their place….
rindolf amigojapan: s/it’s/its
amigojapan ty rindolf
rindolf amigojapan: you're welcome .
amigojapan rindolf: I really find that English rule strange, usually ’s is possesive
rindolf amigojapan: well, you don't say he’s instead of his.
amigojapan but its is the correct posessive for it
rindolf amigojapan: yes, it is.
amigojapan true
aidanh amigojapan: With English, the only rule is that there are always exceptions
amigojapan hehehe true aidanh , jkhdkjdsh shjsad sdlkhlsk ads h kds <— I declare this noew valid english :)
aidanh Heh
* amigojapan shoudl read his gibrish before posting, what if by pure chance I write something encriminating :)
rindolf amigojapan: you misspelled "shsjad"
amigojapan lol, rindolf
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Who invented Satan?

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Ori_B ...I'm failing at typing.
hassoon_ yep
hassoon_ you're a fail
hassoon_ a shame on the human kind
aawe hassoon_: I invented failure
aawe please send royalty checks
hassoon_ aawe: you must be Satan.
aawe I invented satan too
rindolf aawe: Chuck Norris invented Satan!
aawe rindolf: I'll need to send some cease or desist letters to Chuck’s lawyers for spreading such lies
aawe or is that "cease AND desist"?
rindolf aawe: AND
aawe makes more sense, yeah
hassoon_ rindolf is satan
rindolf hassoon_: so Chuck Norris or aawe invented me? ;-)
hassoon_ rindolf: yep
aawe but then who invented aawe?
aawe rindolf: for a token fee, I can list you as my inventor
rindolf aawe: Chuck Norris did!
rindolf aawe: I'd rather not make claims to Chuck Norris' work.
aawe a chuck is the part holding the piece in a lathe, and norris is the cat in hogwarts in harry potter
aawe coincidence?
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Zuudolph

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rindolf JohnBobSmith: ah.
Zuu rindolf pindolf windolf, Hi :>
rindolf Zuu: hi, sup?
rindolf Zuu: maybe you should be Zindolf!
Zuu rindolf: nothing much, just weekendstinating :>
rindolf Zuu: ah.
Zuu Wooh, Zindolph :P
rindolf Or Zuundolph.
Zuu :D
* Zuu is now known as Zuudolph
rindolf Zuudolph: heh.
rindolf Zuudolph: you're missing an n.
Zuudolph The miss was kindof intentional :P
Zuudolph I mean, itetioal
rindolf Zuudolph: ah.
rindolf Zuudolph: heh.
rindolf Death to the n!
Zuudolph :P
rindolf We do't eed o stiki' N!
rindolf N is overrated.
rindolf Zuudolph: nice.
Zuudolph :D
rindolf Zuudolph kinda sounds like Rudolph.
Zuudolph That's what I was going for :P
rindolf Zuudolph: ah.
JohnBobSmith Zuudoplh the black and white penguin! Had a very shiny beak! And if you ever saw him, you would know hes a programmer!
JohnBobSmith lolz
JohnBobSmith Zuudolph: Do you like my attempt at poetry?
Zuudolph JohnBobSmith: it's a little arbitrary... so I guess it's good poetry :D
JohnBobSmith Zuudolph: :D
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Consumers

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blehblah hi
kalx blehblah: sup
blehblah not much, gettin ready to release :)
kalx blehblah: nice, releases are always fun (well, at least the feeling afterwards)
blehblah kalx, it's a nice feeling when you release an improved version of your stuff, it's exciting
kalx haha. I only had the caveat because releases can be different depending on the project. (Deploying to a live server environment can be stressful sometimes)
blehblah oh, pff, nah i'm just consumer software.
rindolf blehblah: consumer software? Do people consume your software? ;-)
rindolf blehblah: is there less of it left after they pay for/use it?
blehblah :D
txdv rindolf: the consumer consumes the souls of the developers with their requests and what not
rindolf txdv: heh.
ashmew2 this discussion WILL deter prospective developers
ashmew2 :/
* rindolf consumes txdv's soul.
txdv i have no soul
txdv nothing to consume there
rindolf txdv: that's good - souls are a nuisance.
blehblah txdv: consumer = management? :D (j/k)
* rindolf consumes txdv completely.
Xgc Even in the electronic case, resources are limited. Each download may reduce the product available.
txdv canibalism man
txdv Mein Teil
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Day of the Tentacle, like existence, does not exist

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xeno I wish Adventure games (the old style) hadn't crashed so badly. I like the Telltale Games, but they've turned into movies rather than click & point games
xeno although I just got Broken Sword on my ipad, that seems promising
xeno but still not anywhere near Lucasarts
xeno imagine the old lucasart team joining up and making Maniac Mansion III
themachinist hmm that would be cool. haven’t played MM
xeno themachinist: MM2 is better known as Day of the Tentacle
xeno themachinist: and it's the best adventure games of all time, easily spins circles around both Monkey Island and Sam & Max
themachinist herecy!
xeno play it, then say herecy again! it's insanely good
themachinist now i have something to do this weekend
xeno definitely... and unless you cheat, probably longer :)
rindolf xeno: I prefered the Monkey Islands over Day of the Tentacle.
rindolf xeno: and I finished the Day of the Tentacle.
rindolf xeno: it's a good idea not to state an opinion as a fact. :-)
xeno I would play DotT first, Sam & Max second, Monkey Island II third, not sure about 4th
xeno rindolf: but it's a fact that DotT is the best! :)
themachinist Twey: i think its busybox, not sure how to tell
themachinist jkbbwr: ?
rindolf xeno: "In my opinion, it's a fact!"
xeno rindolf: exactly!
rindolf xeno: stop! You don't exist! You cannot have opinions.
rindolf xeno: I am not -> I think not.
xeno rindolf: you don't need to exist or to think for DotT to be the best adventure game :)
rindolf xeno: you cannot have opinions and you certainly cannot state facts.
rindolf xeno: heh.
rindolf xeno: DotT does not exist! Thus, it can not be played.
rindolf xeno: the Matrix HAZ YOU!
xeno rindolf: of course the matrix has me
xeno or I have the matrix
xeno or maybe I am the matrix
rindolf xeno: in which cell? ;-)
xeno #9, the one with the soft fluffy walls
rindolf xeno: a matrix is two-dimensional.
xeno only inside the matrix
rindolf xeno: maybe an Evil Genius convinced us that matrices are a valid mathematical concept.
Twey Matrices are just a special case of tensors.
xeno rindolf: that's likely, but you don't even need that... the Evil Genius argument is just Descartes being incapable of imagining himself as not created by something conscious
rindolf Twey: "Flobakonins are just a special case of loremipsums."
Twey rindolf: Gesundheit!
rindolf Twey: heh.
rindolf xeno: i agree that reality can be very different from what we perceive it.
rindolf xeno: assuming powerful enough misconceptionists.
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Eat or be eaten

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pulse that feel when you're hungry but you're too lazy to cook food
rindolf pulse: do you have apples or snacks?
Flonk pulse: 3pm, still didn't manage
novare #ramennoodleslifestyle
Flonk I know your feel
rindolf pulse: can you order pizza?
pulse Flonk, same here, lol
pulse rindolf, yeah but i have no cash on me
pulse so it's either cook food or starve
rindolf pulse: ah.
pulse rindolf, i have bananas
pulse :D
pulse no apples
adsc pulse: you could hunt for neighbour's cats
pulse i like my neighbour's cats
pulse they're cute
pulse also i don't eat cats
adsc then hunt further away in your neighbourhood
pulse or any sort of meat for that matter
adsc oh
adsc then hunt for their fruits and vegetables
pulse :D
* pulse packs a rifle
pulse pesky carrots, won't get away from me this time
PlanckWalk If you eat cats, then you'll be reducing the amount of meat eaten in the world.
adsc shotgunning the ground is a surprisingly effective way to reveal the treasures that lie within
pulse PlanckWalk, that's paradoxical. i'll be eating meat so i'll be increasing it
PlanckWalk But you'll be reducing the meat that would otherwise be eaten by those cats in their life!
pulse ah.
pulse i don't mind cats eating meat
adsc and he'll increase the corn that's eaten by mice
adsc which increases world hunger
adsc so it's bad to eat cats
adsc better eat dogs
adsc they are useless
adsc although I guess they to have a positive impact on sales of the shoe industry
adsc so maybe it's not good to eat dogs either, or the shoe industry will falter
pulse now i'm not hungry anymore
pulse so this chat was somewhat beneficial
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SCC - the Socialist Compiler Collection

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rindolf pyon: i'm trying to get inkscape to stop segfaulting on Mageia Cauldron.
rindolf pyon: there was a big GCC/C++ transition to GCC-5.2.x
pyon rindolf: :-O
pyon rindolf: What [use case / particular sequence of actions] makes it segfault?
rindolf pyon: just running it.
rindolf right on startup.
schquid That delicious ABI breakage?
pyon rindolf: Ah!
rindolf schquid: yes!
rindolf schquid: it's part of the conspiracy of the Capitalists to oppress the proleteriat!
rindolf schquid: GCC is controlled by the bourgusey.
schquid I knew it!
rindolf schquid: heh, heh.
rindolf schquid: I'm planning to create SCC - Socialist Compiler Collection to end the oppression! ;-)
schquid Hahaha we'll need to come up with a very socialist license for it
alphabutcho wazzup guys
rindolf schquid: Socialist Programmers of the World - UNITE!
schquid All hail the glorious liberated proletarian front!
rindolf alphabutcho: schquid and I are discussing our plans to end the oppression of the proletariate by the open source-proliferating Capitalistic hegmony!
rindolf schquid: :-)
rindolf schquid: from each according to his hard-disk capacity - to each according to his warez's size!
rindolf LOL.
schquid Hahaha we could make this a thing :P
rindolf alphabutcho: actually , I'm trying to rebuild the Inkscape package here on Mageia Cauldron because it segfaults.
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Get a Cyberclue

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mrfhitz I use the DNS to because my contry bloks some webpages from us. So the only way to access the pages its to use a external DNS or a proxy.
kadoban mrfhitz: They just block at the DNS level? Brilliant.
GeDaMo kadoban: lots of places do that
schquid kadoban, these are probably the same people that prefix anything computer related with "cyber" :D
kadoban schquid: Heh.
rindolf schquid: heh.
rindolf schquid: I detest the "cyber" modifier.
GeDaMo Do you ... cyberdetest it? :P
rindolf GeDaMo: heh.
adsc rindolf: how did it even happen that people use "cyber" for computery stuff?
schquid rindolf, yeah me too. Sadly the main users are people in positions of power
rindolf schquid: yes.
GeDaMo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybernetics
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How to get a Job?

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Myrl-saki I'd accept any job offered to me on the spot, probably.
thecha Myrl-saki try to get a short internship /preferebly paid
FAMAS thecha: your reply is not made from a global point of view
Myrl-saki As long as it's not Java.
thecha and if you do 3 or so of them you are bound to be handed a job if you ask for on e at the end of them
sbrg sure
Myrl-saki lol
thecha just make a good impression: be pleaseant to be around with, be on time, be dilligent in your work, try to make your work better every day
sbrg How to get a job with a cs degree in Denmark: 1. get degree 2. get job
thecha if you work in this way you will make yourself very valuable to your company and they wont let you leave
Myrl-saki sbrg: lol
thecha Myrl-saki so i guess move to denmark
Myrl-saki thecha: First step. Obtain a job.
thecha no first step obtain internships
thecha :D
Myrl-saki thecha: First step. Obtain internship.
sbrg How to get a job: 1. get a job for 5 years for 5 years of experience. 2. get a job easily because you have 5 years of experience.
sbrg easy!
Myrl-saki sbrg: lol
thecha the job you get for the 5 years of exp does it require 5 years exp?
sbrg yes.
Myrl-saki lol
Myrl-saki So true.
sbrg thecha: no, sorry
sbrg misread
sbrg it requires 10 years of experience
thecha well no problem then, just get a previous job for 5 years for every new job you get
thecha what kindof experience are you getting at work anyways?
sbrg how to get a job: 1. solve the halting problem. 2. write a program that, given a job and an application you have written, terminates if you will be hired. 3. run halting problem solver on program for all jobs/applications 4. ??? 5. Profit
Myrl-saki sbrg: Lol.
sbrg How to solve your unemployment issue: 1. create skynet 2. die at the hands of skynet 3. there are no humans so there are no jobs so by vacuous truth everyone has a job
rindolf sbrg: heh.
sbrg i'm full of good solutions today
sbrg if I could only solve this deadlock issue
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode

Expansions of PHP

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Rounin PHP has e-mail functionality built in
jkbbwr Don't use PHP and don't program anything
justanotheruser PHP - pretty happy programming
rindolf justanotheruser: PHP - pretty hopeless programming
powered PHP - (PHP) hates programmers
rindolf Also s/hopeless/horrible/
jkbbwr PHP = Pretty Hopeless Paper mache
Yeomra PHP = prehistoric programming :3
Rounin Probabilistic Haphazard Programming
Rounin It's the new thing!
wei2912 probably haphazard programming
justanotheruser Please Hang Programmers
wei2912 justanotheruser++
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode

Sunday Bloody Sunday

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rindolf Hi all! Happy Sunday Bloody Sunday!
* vdamewood hands rindolf the magic Orange of Clobbergok
* rindolf eats that magic Orange.
rindolf vdamewood: that Orange tasted like watermelon.
vdamewood That's the magic.
* Zeno` gives rinny a big kiss
Zeno` (not gay btw)
* rindolf eats the kiss.
Zeno` :D
vdamewood rindolf: Which Bloody Sunday are you talking about?
rindolf vdamewood: U2’s.
vdamewood That's in late January
vdamewood https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)
beaky hello
vdamewood beaky: Hell-o
rindolf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_Bloody_Sunday
rindolf beaky: hell!
vdamewood rindolf: The link in that article to the event the song is about points to the page I linked to.
ssta rindolf: the song is about the day
rindolf ssta: I know.
ssta it's also not new year's day (yet)
ssta one of the few U2 songs I like
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode

Kotlin

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jkbbwr Gosh kotlin really makes things simpler
jkbbwr https://gist.github.com/jkbbwr/3f6fdca5d74f7c584fa7
rindolf jkbbwr: you can't stop telling us about how great kotlin is, can you? ;-)
rindolf "Kotlin makes the sun shine, and the birds sing, and the Earth revolve around the sun, and it convinced the Knights who until recently said 'Ni' to stop saying 'Ni'."
rindolf Kotlin is life. Kotlin is love.
war877 Praise kotlin! what is kotlin?
rindolf war877: if you have to ask what kotlin is , you'll never know!
rindolf beaky loves Kotlin.
Rounin I think they now say "Ekki ekki ekki tapannnnnnnnnnnng"
rindolf God wrote the universe in Kotlin.
millerti Who is kotlin and what's special about the code you linked to?
war877 Oh great. Yet another language to put on my research list.
rindolf war877: Kotlin is the meaning of life.
Rounin Not only that, but Kotlin also is life itself
rindolf Rounin: yes!
jkbbwr rindolf: people do it for FP I get to do it for Kotlin
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode
Tagline Give me Kotlin.

Zeno’s “Coding for Nothin’” Song

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Now look at them yo-yo's that's the way you do it
You code ya free source in the IDE
That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Coding for nothin' but the clicks are free
Now that ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Lemme tell ya them guys ain't dumb
Maybe get a blister on your ctrl-key finger
Maybe get a blister on your help F1

We gotta program microwave ovens
Custom kitchen deliveries
We gotta code these refrigerators
We gotta code these colour TV's

See the little faggot with the parser and the markup
Yeah buddy that's his own code
That little faggot got his own toy language
That little faggot he's a millionaire

We gotta program microwave ovens
Custom kitchen deliveries
We gotta code these refrigerators
We gotta code these colour TV's

I shoulda learned to code the hello world
I shoulda learned to code them things
Look at that mama, she got it compilin' in the background
Man we could have some fun
And he's up there, what's that? Hawaiian noises?
Bangin' on the keyboard like a chimpanzee
That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Do your coding for nothin' get your clicks for free

We gotta program microwave ovens
Custom kitchen deliveries
We gotta code these refrigerators
We gotta code these colour TV's

Now that ain't workin' that's the way you do it
You code ya free source in the IDE
That ain't workin' that's the way you do it
Coding for nothin' but the clicks are free
Coding for nothin' and clicks for free

— Written by Zeno from Freenode’s ##programming, based on the “Money for Nothing” song by Dire Straits. The parody is licensed under the public domain.

Author Zeno from ##programming
Work “Coding for Nothin’”

Bad Taste

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Dr_Coke sunnymilk seems to match my personality
Dr_Coke she’s into computers and seems fairly smart apart from the katy perry comment
rindolf Dr_Coke: for the record, there are some Katy Perry songs that I'm fond of as well.
Dr_Coke rindolf I'm sorry to hear that
rindolf Dr_Coke: different people have different tastes.
Dr_Coke well rindolf that's bad taste
rindolf Dr_Coke: "*bad* taste"?
rindolf Dr_Coke: by bad taste do you mean "taste that doesn't matches mine"?
jss_alpha rindolf that's what people always mean by bad taste
rindolf jss_alpha: heh, heh.
Dr_Coke rindolf Katy Perry is bad taste
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode
Tagline Your bad taste is not my bad taste.

Hot Pink

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rindolf Hi all.
DrIranian hiiiiiii :)
rindolf DrIranian: can I take one of your "i"s?
* DrIranian agrees after long consideration
* rindolf takes one of DrIranian 's "i" and colours it hot pink.
iwanttobreakfree how old were you when you first started programming? i was 15-16
rindolf iwanttobreakfree: I was about 10.
DrIranian :D
rindolf iwanttobreakfree: I wrote in XT BIOS BASIC.
rindolf iwanttobreakfree: what did you write in?
DrIranian rindolf: Girls calling me housewife, asking me for cooking advice, and now you paint my i pink :D
iwanttobreakfree PaScAl
rindolf iwanttobreakfree: ah, Pascal.
pulse iwanttobreakfree, 12-13ish
rindolf iwanttobreakfree: a Bondage-and-Discipline language.
rindolf Mostly dead now.
vdamewood I feel a need to write more stuff.
iwanttobreakfree you have higher IQ then i guess
rindolf iwanttobreakfree: what makes you think that?
iwanttobreakfree dunno
vdamewood I have a book on Pascal that I've never actually read.
iwanttobreakfree it seemed to simple?
rindolf iwanttobreakfree: and IQ is a silly measurement of intelligence not to say competence and performance.
DrIranian IQ is good for a basic measurement
vdamewood I once passed an IQ test.
vdamewood > 60 is passing, right?
DrIranian :(
iwanttobreakfree actually you can have super high competence, but when you don't want to do the job, then it doesn't count
DrIranian 105 is passing
DrIranian vdamewood: if you can turn on IRC, you probably have 105
rindolf isn't the average IQ 90?
vdamewood rindolf: 100
Serpentine_ Values below a small threshold deviating from 100 are generally very inaccurate
rindolf DrIranian: "turn on IRC"?
DrIranian rindolf: The same IQ in different countries is not the same
Serpentine_ 100 points is defined as the mean and median in IQ tests
Zeno` no wonder people are so stupid
* vdamewood passed Zeno` the state-sponsored happy pills.
rindolf vdamewood: Black Bile!
Myrl-saki Guys.
rindolf Myrl-saki: and girls.
* vdamewood gives rindolf some Yellow bile to balance his humors.
rindolf vdamewood: I want hot pink bile.
* DrIranian seconds
DrIranian I want pink bile
rindolf vdamewood: so it will match the colour of DrIranian 's "i".
vdamewood rindolf: Your only other choices are blood and phlegm
vdamewood I can give you a mixture of 1 parts blood, 5 parts phlegm
rindolf vdamewood: that's OK, I still have a lot of hot pink paint left to colour that bile.
DrIranian vdamewood: those are the standard options, we are talking about tuning the fluids
rindolf LOL.
Myrl-saki Wtf is happening.
Myrl-saki `echo 'a' > Foo`
Myrl-saki Then reading it in, say, Haskell and Java, it's "a\n"
rindolf Myrl-saki: echo appends a newline by default.
rindolf Myrl-saki: you can use echo -n IIRC
rindolf not sure how portable -n is.
Myrl-saki rindolf: Oh, I see.
vdamewood IIRC --> In internet-relay chat
Myrl-saki rindolf: That doesn't explain why vim and nano also saves that way though.
vdamewood Because vim and nano assume you want a new line at the end of your text file.
Myrl-saki vdamewood: I see.
rindolf Myrl-saki: it's a configuration option.
rindolf Myrl-saki: kate doesn't do it by default.
Myrl-saki vdamewood: Why though?
* rindolf colours the newline hot pink.
vdamewood Because they're text files.
Myrl-saki vdamewood: What's the benefit of such?
iwanttobreakfree guys i have a genius idea: to make a programming language which supports all syntaxes ( func. programming, logic programming, OOP, etc)
Myrl-saki iwanttobreakfree: lol
rindolf Myrl-saki: for once cat $file works nicer.
vdamewood iwanttobreakfree: C++?
DrIranian iwanttobreakfree: is this back in the future?
rindolf iwanttobreakfree: syntaxes or semanticses?
iwanttobreakfree it doesn't support func programming and logic pr.
rindolf iwanttobreakfree: or do you mean paradigms?
iwanttobreakfree everything!
* vdamewood gives rindolf 20 cents.
vdamewood (That's a pair o' dimes)
* Archer gives iwanttobreakfree 60secs to say something intelligent
iwanttobreakfree it's all mixed up. you can program everything with it
* rindolf colours 10 of these cents hot pink.
* vdamewood pats Archer on the head.
rindolf iwanttobreakfree: we have a saying in Hebrew : "Catch a lot - didn't catch anything"
vdamewood Looks like 60 seconds are up.
iwanttobreakfree such a approach would result a highly effective program code and it would save thousands of human lives and it's a work of a lifetime for some people.
rindolf iwanttobreakfree: also, reportedly Linus Torvalds once said that his primary responsibility as the chief developer of the Linux kernel is to say "No.".
iwanttobreakfree i mean, you know logic programming languages and func. you know the differences? when you can mix them, then you could have better code
snyp void free() { abort(); }
Serpentine_ iwanttobreakfree: You may have misspelled "Python"
vdamewood snyp: void *malloc(size_t sz) { return (void*)rand(); }
sbrg void* malloc(size_t sz) { real_malloc(3 * sz); return real_malloc(sz); }
snyp you know... coz he wants to break free.
rindolf snyp: like Queen? ;-)
snyp you know... coz he wants to break free().
snyp like LD_PRELOAD'ing a broken free
Archer quiet(Account.find("iwanttobreakfree"))
snyp dammit.
rindolf snyp: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4Mc-NYPHaQ - if you don't get the ref.
rindolf snyp: heh.
snyp rindolf: i know the song
rindolf snyp: nice pun.
vdamewood void *malloc(size_t sz) { void *r = real_malloc(sz); free(r); return r; }
rindolf snyp: good!
iwanttobreakfree sorry busy at work
snyp but i didn't quite like it when i heard it.. my fav queen song is bohemian rhapsody
snyp probably the only queen song i like
rindolf snyp: ah, I only like the Muppets' cover of Bohemian Rhapsody. Have you seen it?
snyp no
pulse snyp, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqwC41RDPyg
vdamewood void *malloc(size_t sz) { int i; return &i; }
rindolf snyp: here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgbNymZ7vqY
* snyp watches
vdamewood I
rindolf vdamewood: heh.
vdamewood I'm going to stop coming up with horrible implementations of malloc() now.
rindolf Maybe we should write our own libc.
ams` void *malloc (ssize_t x) { static void *a[4096]; static int ap; return a[ap++]; }
ams` muhahaha
unreal Afternoon vinleod :)
snyp rindolf: lol it's awesome
rindolf snyp: :-)
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode
Tagline free() like a hot pink bird.

“What’s the Air Velocity of an Unladen Swift?”

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jailbot I have a json file that I need in utf-8
jailbot how would I go about doing this
rindolf jailbot: isn't JSON utf-8 only?
rindolf jailbot: and you can use iconv
jailbot idk i'm serving a json file to my swift project
rindolf adsc: heh, heh.
jailbot and i'm getting this error "The data couldn’t be read because it isn’t in the correct format."
jailbot and the docs say that it should be in utf-8
rindolf jailbot: what are the HTTP headers?
jailbot how can I check that
adsc in your browser's dev tools
rindolf jailbot: using a command line HTTP tool or a sniffer or whatever.
rindolf jailbot: or adsc's suggestion.
squid_squad visual studio is BUTTS
jailbot type: Document
jailbot I need to configure htaccess right
rindolf jailbot: possibly.
jailbot ~.~
jailbot its 2am I dont want this
rindolf jailbot: go to sleep.
rindolf jailbot: Tomorrow never dies.
jailbot im on a role
rindolf jailbot: s/role/roll/
jailbot I want to hang out with my friends tomorrow
jailbot not be writing swift haha
rindolf jailbot: I want a pony!
rindolf jailbot: what is the average air velocity of an unladen swift?
pluszak rindolf: what distribution? African or European?
ssta swallow surely?
rindolf pluszak: a Cupertino swift.
rindolf pluszak: designed by Apple in Kalifornia.
ssta "what's the airspeed velocity of an unladen spit" doesn't sound right
rindolf ssta: a swift is a bird similar to a swallow.
rindolf ssta: but not very related.
ssta I know :)
ssta nobody ever wrote a book called "Swifts and Amazons"
rindolf https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift
ssta swallows are clearly superior to swifts
rindolf http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/orifice-open
* rindolf wonders if there's a programming language called "Swallow"
ssta if not there ought to be
rindolf ssta: well volunteered!
ssta rindolf: it would wind up being very similar to java (but with a few fixes)
jailbot haha rindolf
jailbot I got it guys!
jailbot I was missing a :
rindolf jailbot: ah.
rindolf jailbot: does it swiftly work now?
jailbot yes!
jailbot i'm so excited
rindolf jailbot: ex-swift-elent!
jailbot almost no code
rindolf Or ex-swallow-lent.
rindolf jailbot: can you go to sleep now? Swiftly?
adsc rindolf: there doesn't seem to be a language called "swallow", but Spiral has a command called "swallow"
rindolf adsc: ah.
rindolf adsc: what is Spiral?
rindolf adsc: I don't see it here - https://duckduckgo.com/?q=spiral%20programming%20language
adsc rindolf: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Spiral
rindolf adsc: heh, heh.
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode
Tagline As swiftly as possible

Java and JavaScript

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SillyMusings How much money can I expect to make as a developer out of college?
quelqun_dautre SillyMusings: 0$. Tax deduced.
rindolf quelqun_dautre: well, that's a lower bound.
rindolf SillyMusings: the correct answer is that it varies based on several parameters.
SillyMusings rindolf, what are the parameters?
quelqun_dautre what you know, what framework you can use, how good you are in an interview, where you are
rindolf SillyMusings: 1. Where are you located. 2. Which languages do you know. 3. where you'll get hired.
SillyMusings I know Javascript and Java
quelqun_dautre where are you located ?
rindolf SillyMusings: it's spelled "JavaScript" - not "Javascript"
SillyMusings I am located in Oregon
little_bit how much money you'll make is not a function of any of those inputs.
quelqun_dautre and how good are you at Java[script] ?
little_bit sad to say it's barely a function at all. predictability in terms of actual earnings is impossible these days.
SillyMusings I'd say I'm okay at it
rindolf quelqun_dautre: Java and JavaScript are two completely different things.
little_bit if you want some examples, look at GlassDoor.
SillyMusings What sort of range am I looking at?
little_bit SillyMusings: GlassDoor.
quelqun_dautre rindolf: I know.
little_bit SillyMusings: anything from us will be an incomplete picture.
little_bit SillyMusings: so draw from multiple sources.
SillyMusings If I'm fresh out of college, am I a 'junior developer'?
little_bit probably. god knows what you'll be placed into.
quelqun_dautre SillyMusings: what is "okay" on your terms ? Do you know the play framework ? J2EE ?
little_bit SillyMusings: I certainly hope you aren't expecting a lot of money.
SillyMusings quelqun_dautre, no I'm stronger on the JS side
pilne java and javascript are often used in the same "completed" project these days, but they are completely different beasts for better or worse
SillyMusings little_bit, glassdoor says average of 103k?
rindolf quelqun_dautre: http://stackoverflow.com/a/245073 - case in point. ;-)
little_bit SillyMusings: for what position?
little_bit and where?
pilne javascript is relatively strong right now due to node.js, it isn't ideal for *everything* but it can do a lot
* rindolf thinks serving Java web applets from a Node.js service is bestest
TubbyTommy JavaScript is relatively strong on it's own because they keep making it better, its not ever finished really
SillyMusings yes I've been following es6 stuff
pilne erm... rindolf?
rindolf pilne: that was a joke! Relax!
pilne yeah, but it is starting to add cruft
quelqun_dautre SillyMusings: what do you know in JS ? What library can you use ? Ever used functional programming ? Do you know what a closure is ?
pilne LOL i would hope so rindolf, that isn't impossible, i just can't see why you'd do it other than being a code-massochist
little_bit SillyMusings: I'm going to assume you're fresh out of college, so let me make this clear: you're not getting those jobs.
rindolf pilne: use the wrong tool for the job! ;-)
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode

An IDE That Does Not Suck

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vdamewood Maybe I should make an IDE.
vdamewood One that doesn't suck.
rindolf varesa: one thing I don't understand about JetBrains is why they have so many IDEs with a common codebase and different feature-sets. seems like a bad money-making scheme.
rindolf vdamewood: it likely will suck. :-).
vdamewood This coming from the guy who explains why all languages suck.
rindolf vdamewood: http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/show.cgi?id=joel-ms-lost-api-war-1
rindolf vdamewood: and also https://xkcd.com/927/
vdamewood Is that the one about competing standards?
rindolf vdamewood: yes, it is.
vdamewood Hey, every once in a while someone comes along, makes a new X, and completely obliterates every other X out there.
nso95 rindolf: hey!
vdamewood Speaking of competing products, I need to learn mercurial.
jeaye I don't see the need for yet another IDE.
rindolf nso95: hi, sup?
nso95 nm, you?
rindolf nso95: I woke up a while ago.
nso95 ah/
rindolf nso95: and I am unable to reproduce the short benchmarking time I got yesterday. I've lost faith in humanity.
nso95 that’s rather unfortunate
vdamewood My co workers: https://xkcd.com/1597/
nso95 this next semester is going to suck
vdamewood The next semester always sucks, except the one after your last.
vdamewood jeaye: There's no need for another bootloader either, but here I am.
jeaye That's different.
jeaye "One that doesn't suck." is the key point.
jeaye You didn't say that about the bootloader.
vdamewood Oh, yeah. I have no real goal to make mine not suck. Good point.
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode
Tagline Completely obliterate all sucky IDEs

Dramatic Skills

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vendu what's up guys?
rindolf vendu: I handled the morning's E-mails.
vendu rindolf, cool :)
adsc rindolf: you must work on your dramatic skills
rindolf adsc: my dramatic skills?
adsc "I wade through the flood of the morning's electronic mail messages" sounds much better than "I handled the morning's emails"
adsc well, it would if it had correct grammar
rindolf vendu: I've been working on the Kakuro Project Euler problem.
rindolf adsc: heh, heh.
adsc rindolf has been chipping away at the Project Euler's Kakuro complex
rindolf adsc: will you be my ghost author? ;-)
adsc rindolf: sure, but it might involve your character having romantic encounters with stoic goats
adsc rindolf lost himself in the endless depth of the black goat's rectangular pupil, his self utterly annihilated by the vast void hiding behind the tiny window; a passage into a realm he thought lost forever
rindolf Yay! Inbox Zero! Or as adsc would put it "I stare into the empty abyss of my inbox signifying my victory. "I have battled against entropy and came out victorious" I tell myself."
adsc rindolf: that's it!
adsc rindolf: your life becomes 100% more epic if you just want to
rindolf Now to train spamassassin.
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode
Tagline 100% more epic; 100% more awesome

Big JPEGs

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rindolf Wow! The chromium-browser's sources tar.xz is 531,505,652 bytes.
pyon Wow.
pilne that's almost as big as a medium resolution jpg of my....
merkazu computer
rindolf pilne: you have big JPEGs.
pilne that's what she said rindolf :)
rindolf pilne: heh.
merkazu i like big gifs and i cannot lie~
pilne hah!
rindolf merkazu: heh.
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode

Write-only

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rindolf I was told that Forth is a write-only language.
GeDaMo Depends on style
Myrl-saki Yeah, on some styles, you can't even write.
Channel ##programming
Network Freenode
Tagline Read-less and Write-less

Windows Update

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rindolf Bleh! Windows Update is acting up again. I swear that it is the bottom of the bottomless abyss of suck.
Trashlord I know the pain
bahamut24 My windows firewall has been broken ever since I isntaled windows 7 :/
bahamut24 installed
rindolf Trashlord: let's inflict that pain on the Microsoft software devs that produced such crap!
Trashlord rindolf: yeah, we'll tie them to a chair for days upon days, and then say "See what it feels like to sit here waiting forever?"
rindolf Trashlord: heh, heh.
workmad3 bahamut24: there was a time when Windows Firewall wasn't broken?
bahamut24 Today was completely unproductive, no lines of code written.
Trashlord bahamut24: were you solving problems in your head, or thinking about design decisions, though?
bahamut24 No just watched pointless shit on youtube.
bahamut24 lmao
Trashlord ah
kadoban Was it good pointless shit?
bahamut24 kadoban let me check my watch history
kadoban If you don't remember what you watched, couldn't have been that good :-/
bahamut24 I see hitler parodies, best of news bloopers, "Bill O'reily gets owned by kid", "woman live in mans closet for a year" plus lots more
bahamut24 "the orlando massacre"
bahamut24 hahahah lots of stupid shit.
Channel ##programming
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Vintage HTML and sudo rights

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vdamewood gurra: You just have to make sure that there isn't any sort of infinite recursion on the left-hand side of an expression.
vdamewood Damn.
ayush1 vdamewood: gurra has quit
vdamewood ayush1: <sarcasm>No kidding?</sarcasm>
ayush1 <reality>nature of kidding</reality>
Trashlord <this stuff>doesn't make you funny</thisstuff>
* PlanckWalk <blink>blinks</blink>
Rounin <span style="color:red;font-weight:bold">LOLOLOLOLOL</span>
* ayush1 <thinks>wtf</thinks>
vdamewood ayush1: You forgot the acronym tag.
nitrix <marquee>Trololololol</marquee>
vdamewood <blink><marquee>This is my new web page in 1996!</blink></marquee>
Rounin <img src="under_construction.jpg"><h1>Be sure to bookmark this page!</h1><Html/>
rindolf Rounin: heh, heh
Rounin :D
nitrix There has be [ 0 0 0 0 0 2 5 ] visitor on this page.
nitrix *been
snyp {opinion: "hate markup"}
* TheMadcapper has quit (Quit: TheMadcapper)
vdamewood nitrix: No. has be is correct. ;)
ayush1 vdamewood: no "have been" is correct
nitrix vdamewood: You deserve a spanking.
vdamewood ayush1: Thank you Captain Oblivious.
ayush1 vdamewood: your welcome
ayush1 thas are Englais
nitrix One shall respect thy language.
* vdamewood is not the one.
ayush1 nitrix: supeir sitpusting
nitrix That leaves only zero then, in our binary world :(
vdamewood There are 10 kinds of people in the world.
ayush1 Quit: This is the end. Goodbye cruel world!
vdamewood I just noticed that I have a lot of code that's commented out in my shold-be-ready-to-release library.
* ayush1 is pretty sure vdamewood doesn't have sudo rights
vdamewood ayush1: sudo make me a sandwich
vdamewood s/shold/should/
ayush1 vdamewood: sudo !!
ayush1 vdamewood: did it make you a sandwhich right now?
vdamewood No. I'm still not a sandwich.
rindolf vdamewood: heh.
ayush1 vdamewood: sudo !!; sudo !!; sudo !!; sudo !!; now you should have 4 sandwhich's on your plate.
ayush1 vdamewood: including you
vdamewood Yay!
* vdamewood eats vdamewood
* ayush1 steals some of vdamewood's sandwhiches
* ayush1 4 to be exact
vdamewood I already ate one of them. So you can't steal it.
* rindolf poisons the sandwiches.
* vdamewood barfs on rindolf
ayush1 vdamewood: I can still eat 4 of them
vdamewood I want aleph-null sandwiches.
* ayush1 orders astatine and mixes it with vdamewood's sandwhiches
rindolf vdamewood: you should hope some of them are not poisoned.
ayush1 rindolf: I have added astatine -_-.
ayush1 rindolf: btw I am a zombie tintin now
* vdamewood reboots ayush1
* ayush1 is alive again
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How to increase productivity?

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iamrohit7 how to increase productivity?
vdamewood iamrohit7: Find the productivity menu, and select "Increase"
iamrohit7 is it a dropdown? i hate them.
rindolf vdamewood: heh.
rindolf iamrohit7: it is hiding inside the Hamburger icon.
rindolf iamrohit7: and requires activation in about:config .
rindolf iamrohit7: there are various productivity methods like "Getting Things Done".
iamrohit7 oh.
iamrohit7 cool. where exactly is that config file?
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Microsoft Software and Speed

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vdamewood This install for visual studio is taking forever.
rindolf vdamewood: lies! It takes at least forever and two weeks.
rindolf vdamewood: it will end a short time before the heat death of the universe.
rindolf vdamewood: one thing I learned is not to expect Microsoft to make fast software. They tend to take more than Intel gives.
ibouvousaime_ lol
amigojapan yeah, i agree with rindolf , although last time I used VS it was resonably fast
ibouvousaime_ how is vs compared to linux ides btw, I never used vs since I moved to linux a while ago and didnt turn back
Yaiyan It's not quite vim
rindolf amigojapan: Windows Update on Windows 7 is horribly slow and unresponsive. I gave up on updating my windows 7 partition on my laptop.
vdamewood ibouvousaime_: Visual studio is great if you're working with .NET.
rindolf amigojapan: I was told it's better on windows 10.
amigojapan vdamewood: I see
rindolf ibouvousaime_: the Microsoft CL.EXE is crappy and non-standard-compliant.
rindolf ibouvousaime_: the Microsoft CL.EXE compiler is crappy and non-standard-compliant.
amigojapan rindolf: I often hear the "it is better in [insert newest verion of windows here]" I have grown untrustworthy of this claim
rindolf amigojapan: heh, true.
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One’s relationship with C

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_ic2000 that feeling when someone tells me they found python too hard so they're going to learn C because it's "easy and not outdated"...
Brando753 _ic2000: its not outdated :P but yea that is a silly thing to say
_ic2000 Brando753, but they were implying that python was outdated lol
Brando753 _ic2000: yea thats pretty bad
Brando753 _ic2000: python is awesome
Brando753 I love C
Brando753 I really do but I would never program what I do in python in C
magneticduck are you sure you love C?
Brando753 magneticduck: its a love hate relationship :I
pulse i would like to see if i love C while i'm out at sea
Brando753 lol
magneticduck I think a relationship a developer might have with C is less love, more codependency
nso95_ he hits me because he loves me
Brando753 nso95_: exactly!
magneticduck he segfaults because he trusts me
gmurop So you don't love C, C loves you
pulse C lovers ~-> clovers
pulse it was meant to be
rindolf magneticduck: heh.
rindolf magneticduck: LOL.
Brando753 magneticduck: he works perfectly in the debugger then crashes normally because he loves you
Brando753 all that C love
Brando753 C would be miserable without valgrind
Brando753 and GDB
rindolf Brando753: heh.
magneticduck when he corrupts all over my memory, he's just venting his anger from work
magneticduck it's normal, all languages do that
rindolf magneticduck: heh.
nso95_ I fell down the stairs
Brando753 nso95_: did C push you?
rindolf nso95_: that sucks.
Brando753 nso95_: or are you being serious, in which case sorry :I
nso95_ nah, jk
Brando753 :D
rindolf nso95_: ah.
nso95_ I don’t have stairs
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EvilChristmas

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rindolf Zuu: some people told me they think a Freecell/etc. solver is useless, but it has some uses and is my most popular project todate.
Zuu I’m mostly surprised that you can find the spirit to work on it for so long.
Zuu like, so many years.
Zuu But as long as you find the time to distribute Santas presents, it's all good :P
rindolf Zuu: I actually don't distribute Santa's presents - that is goody-two-shoes-reindeer's job. Being an EvilReindeer I do the opposite - I steal all the presents to maintain balance in the force.
bizarrefish rindolf: Do you have an evil master?
Zuu rindolf, Noooooh!
bizarrefish Perhaps a jolly one?
rindolf bizarrefish: no! I'm my own master.
Zuu rindolf, that's too evil! :<
rindolf bizarrefish: but I have some collaborators.
rindolf Zuu, bizarrefish : we use EvilReinder-driven-EvilConspiracy
rindolf Zuu: it's the ultimate EvilParadigm
Zuu rindolf, i bet there's someone who just injects these thoughts into your head when christmas is over, and just before christmas starts, they inject rudolph thoughts into your head :>
rindolf Zuu: my plan for this year is to cancel Christmas altogether.
rindolf and replace it with EvilChristmas
Zuu rindolf, If i dont get presents, i know who's fault it is now :P
rindolf Zuu: you'll get EvilPresents this time. ;-)
Brando753 rindolf: D: but I liked non-evil christmas, non-evil Santa Claus was always so nice and jolly
Brando753 And getting presents which dont try and do evil unspeakable things to you is nice as well
* rindolf uses his magical EvilAntlers to convert Brando753 into EvilBrando753 so he'll like EvilChristmas
Brando753 No...Must...Resist
* Brando753 is now known as EvilBrando753
EvilBrando753 damn
EvilBrando753 :I
rindolf Brando753: resistance is futile
DrBenway all your base are belong to us
rindolf EvilBrando753: heh, welcome to the EvilReindeer Evil World Domination Evil Conspiracy!
rindolf EvilBrando753: you're one of us now.
* vassagus (~vassagus@186.4.2.162) has joined
bizarrefish :/
EvilBrando753 one of us, one of us, gooble gobble gooble gobble
parathon_ Hello
ibouvousaime hello parathon_
ibouvousaime this room has 722 people, yet so few are active
ibouvousaime bizarrefish: isnt it ohms ?
rindolf ibouvousaime: that's the nature of IRC.
EvilBrando753 ibouvousaime: man could you imagine if they were all active now?
EvilBrando753 ibouvousaime: no one would be able to converse
EvilBrando753 ibouvousaime: the buffers would move so fast
rindolf EvilBrando753: heh.
ibouvousaime yeah true haha EvilBrando753
EvilBrando753 you think I am joking, but it would be horrible, IRC was never designed for such high volume
ibouvousaime Im trying to imagine it in my mind atm hahaha
ibouvousaime it would be like a terminal you use to play vlc videos
pyon ibouvousaime: 1 Ohm = 1 Volt / 1 Ampère
ibouvousaime pyon: ohh
rindolf EvilBrando753: sup?
EvilBrando753 rindolf: reading up on old censorship laws here in the US
EvilBrando753 rindolf: good old wikipedia
EvilBrando753 never realized there used to be a supreme court ruiling stating free speech did not extend to films
EvilBrando753 rindolf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Film_Corp._v._Industrial_Commission_of_Ohio
EvilBrando753 it was a 9-0 ruling as well
EvilBrando753 which is insane to think about
rindolf EvilBrando753: ah, I see.
rindolf EvilBrando753: wikipedia may be good, but it's not too old.
EvilBrando753 I just want a printed copy of wikipedia for the sake of having one
EvilBrando753 I hate trees with a passion
EvilBrando753 :P
rindolf EvilBrando753: will this printed copy be a wiki as well?
EvilBrando753 well it will have to update everytime wikipidia does https://what-if.xkcd.com/59/
pyon why do people call electric potential “voltage”? it's as if they called time “secondage” or distance “metrage”
pyon errr
pyon nvm
pyon i meant “electric potential”
pyon difference*
jrslepak pyon: FWIW, "amperage" is sometimes used too
jrslepak pyon: I don't think I've ever heard "teslage" or "henryage" though :-P
ivegotasthma ownage
MisterSyntax c
MisterSyntax oops
MisterSyntax i wanted to press ctrl+A,+C xD
MisterSyntax have fear for I is here!
MisterSyntax there we go
MisterSyntax (haha)
rindolf MisterSyntax: you iz here?
MisterSyntax yez
rindolf MisterSyntax: are you here to ruin the day?
MisterSyntax yez
rindolf MisterSyntax: awesome.
MisterSyntax i brought demons and angry spirits with me
rindolf MisterSyntax: you sound Evil and I like Evil.
MisterSyntax rindolf, want some? :D
nitrix That's unfortunate. We needed more trolls, not demons.
* MisterSyntax points at demon nr 3 and angry spirits 1 through 10
MisterSyntax you can have those
rindolf MisterSyntax: thanks!
MisterSyntax rindolf, you’re welcome, and remember, create havoc and despair whereever you go!
rindolf MisterSyntax: thanks!
* MisterSyntax laughs evil-ish from his dungeon tower
rindolf MisterSyntax: isn't a dungeon supposed to be underground?
MisterSyntax yeah but it's a tower.. in a dungeon
nitrix I put on my robe and wizard hat...
MisterSyntax so imagine a great cave
MisterSyntax with numberous caves joined to it
MisterSyntax and in that great cave theres a tower
MisterSyntax and at the top of that tower is my room with a nice window overviewing the magmaflow of the earth.
MisterSyntax ;-)
rindolf MisterSyntax: I wonder how you get an Internet connection there.
MisterSyntax easy, wifi.
MisterSyntax hahahahahah
rindolf MisterSyntax: heh.
MisterSyntax no i'm tapping internet from an industrial fibercable
MisterSyntax they don't suspect a thing , the muggelz
MisterSyntax cooling the hardware has been more of a problem tho
MisterSyntax xD
rindolf MisterSyntax: first world problems ;-)
rindolf under world problems
MisterSyntax rindolf, indeed haha
MisterSyntax yeah it's a real 'hell'
MisterSyntax i even have a muggle-zoo
MisterSyntax great fun for the children
MisterSyntax they can interact with primates
MisterSyntax my cat just jumped on my lap and i felt like a true evil genius
MisterSyntax http://prettycleverfilms.com/files/2013/05/4_blofelds_cat_many.jpg
rindolf MisterSyntax: heh.
rindolf MisterSyntax: I'm reminded of the film Bolt.
MisterSyntax haha rindolf
rindolf MisterSyntax: did you watch it?
MisterSyntax yes
rindolf MisterSyntax: nice.
MisterSyntax rindolf, i had to, my sisters' kids wanted to watch it whilst i was supervising
MisterSyntax and i like to act like a child when watching movies or playing with toys so it was quite fun xD
MisterSyntax even built them a mayan pyramid afterwards made out of duplo lol
MisterSyntax well mayan
MisterSyntax http://www.crystalinks.com/pyramidelcastillo.jpg << that kind
MisterSyntax no clue if its mayan
rindolf MisterSyntax: nice.
MisterSyntax they were amazed and kept it for months, even built a whole city around it themselves
rindolf MisterSyntax: I think it is.
MisterSyntax yeah rindolf i think as well but ain't sure xD
rindolf MisterSyntax: the Mayan Pyramids look nicer than the egyptian ones IMO.
MisterSyntax rindolf, agreed.
MisterSyntax here have another demon..
* MisterSyntax points at demon nr.4
* rindolf pets demon No. 4
MisterSyntax beware though, no. 4 has a tendency to bite
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macOS

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rindolf Apparently, Apple has decided to rename Mac OS X/OS X into "macOS".
rindolf Marketing people are crazy.
pyon ikr
exio4 I wanna study marketing
ConceptThoughts ?
exio4 random comments
ConceptThoughts a good programmer should care less about marketing.. hire a rep
exio4 I am no programmer
ConceptThoughts your no?
ConceptThoughts what are you doing in here then
exio4 programming for money is so boring
exio4 ConceptThoughts: it is a nice chat
ConceptThoughts ;o;
ConceptThoughts lol
exio4 first two words in the topic, Community Chat
ConceptThoughts yes but that follow Proggramming implying its a programming community chat
exio4 it is a / not and and
exio4 an and*
ConceptThoughts whats that mean
pyon rindolf: i have no idea how marketing people think... what exactly is going on in their heads when they determine that renaming os x to macOS might increase sales or whatever apple is trying to achieve
pyon rindolf: perhaps it's for consistency with iOS?
exio4 nvm
exio4 pyon: I think they want to add curiosity
exio4 "what changed?"
exio4 exploit I mean
pyon exio4: no it can't be just that
exio4 I am quite tired :(
rindolf pyon: see https://github.com/sindresorhus/awesome/pull/758#issuecomment-245765996
pyon rindolf: checking
pyon ah so it was as i was thinking
pyon ok that makes sense
rindolf exio4: I feel that there's good marketing and there's bad marketing.
rindolf exio4: what is what is a matter of a lot of disagreement.
pyon exio4: nobody would be crazy enough to change the name of a core product just to make people wonder what happened
rindolf pyon: I hope that Apple's marketing department will die in a macFlame™!
rindolf ;-)
pyon rindolf: lol
pyon rindolf: why does it particularly annoy you that apple renamed their product? :-O
pyon s/product/desktop os/
rindolf pyon: well, I've seen many people misspell "Mac OS X" as "MacOSX" / "macOSX" / "macosx" / "macosX" / etc. and been trying to get them to use the correct spelling and capitalisation and now it's different and lamer.
SlashLife Isn't it called iOS now?
pyon rindolf: lol
SlashLife Or is that only for mobile devices?
pyon rindolf: i don't think it's terribly important if people spell it correctly
bacon1989 no, that's iMobile, they renamed that yesterday in the conf
SlashLife Seriously?
pyon rindolf: it's not a real english word, it's just a product name - the only ones who should be worried about properly spelling its name are apple themselves
rindolf SlashLife: iOS is different than Mac OS X.
rindolf pyon: I've invented a pun on Mac OS X - "Mac O'Sucks"
rindolf it's not too funny though.
pyon rindolf: lol
pyon rindolf: i always thought “x” was meant to be pronounced “ten”
rindolf pyon: maybe, but no one pronounces it that way.
rindolf pyon: again - people have crazy marketing ideas.
rindolf s/crazy/unrealistic/
pyon rindolf: heh
rindolf oh well, I'm off to sleep.
pyon rindolf: gn
rindolf pyon: heh, thanks
rindolf bye all
rindolf Good macNight!
pyon lol
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“Demons upon thee, Apple marketing department!”

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rindolf MisterSyntax: can you unleash some of your demons on Apple's marketing department?
MisterSyntax rindolf, sure no problem, what region?
rindolf MisterSyntax: Cupertino.
rindolf if that's how it's spelled.
* MisterSyntax sends over his "Elite Demons" legion towards Cupertino
rindolf I want a macSacare!
MisterSyntax they might take a while to arrive
MisterSyntax hahaha macsacare xD
rindolf MisterSyntax: :-)
MisterSyntax rindolf, but once they arive they will inhabit their electronics and falsify their databases
MisterSyntax also theres one demon among them that will try to wiki-leak things
rindolf MisterSyntax: heh, heh.
rindolf MisterSyntax: you have a good selection of demons.
MisterSyntax rindolf, thanks, i've trained them myself :) you wouldn't believe how stupid they used to be.. they'd just go around killing without a plan and end up getting killed by them hunters
rindolf MisterSyntax: sounds like you're a good teacher to these demons.
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Windows UpHate

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rindolf ConceptThoughts: did you know that Microsoft is the organisation with the most open source pull-requests on GitHub? They appear to be taking open source seriously.
password2 rindolf, seriously?
velco password2, https://octoverse.github.com/
rindolf password2: see https://octoverse.github.com/
password2 wow
password2 soon geeks will need to find new reasons to hate MS
rindolf password2: well, it's possible other companies have more open source code, but MS Received the most pull-reqs.
password2 well just that they are showing up on the radar is already amazing
rindolf password2: heh, I'm trying not to expend too much energy hating companies.
password2 rindolf, if only more people were like you
rindolf password2: or people for that matter.
rindolf password2: heh.
password2 many many people simply use linux because they dislike microsoft
password2 And defining yourself by what you hate is a slippery slope
rindolf password2: well, I use Linux because I like it better, and feel more productive in it, and because Windows Update is hatefully (!) slow.
rindolf password2: see http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/facts/Windows-Update/
password2 yeah , I've read that
password2 :D
password2 i just disable my windows update
rindolf password2: heh.
password2 solves 99% of my issues
rindolf password2: you got 1 problem but Windows Update ain't 99 of them.
njcomsec i hate windows update
password2 why?
njcomsec seems to break stuff
Rounin It's recently caused people to miss out on large parts of their exams
njcomsec at least on my computer
Rounin Since they were answering them on Windows computers
njcomsec but it might also be something to do with acer and mcaffee
Rounin That of course decided to reboot for 1,5 hours during the exams
njcomsec though teh windows update is definetly the catalyst
rindolf Rounin: "Windows Update ate my homework!"
Rounin rindolf: Brrr!
password2 Rounin, Well
password2 one would wonder why the poeple would set the settings on those pc to auto update
password2 i blame the people using it
Rounin password2: They wouldn't... Windows set those settings
password2 Rounin, you can change them
Rounin password2: That's not what we're discussing
njcomsec i believe windows updates are forced with win 10
password2 why not?
Rounin password2: If someone robs you, you can also choose to get shot if you so desire
Rounin That doesn't mean it's your choice to get robbed
njcomsec you can disable them but i think it can cause problems
password2 its seems like a cheap shot at windows
password2 yeah
Rounin No, it doesn't
Rounin It doesn't seem like that at all
password2 but no one was hurt
password2 and no one plans on benig robbed
Rounin No one plans on having their exam ruined by Windows Update either, as far as I know
password2 idk why you bothered with that comparison
rindolf For the life of me I cannot understand why Windows Update takes a while to do its thing *before* the system shutdown.
password2 rindolf idk
password2 btw Rounin if you want to blame default setting on windows , you aparently have very little experience with linux
password2 because thats like half the trouble with linuxx
Rounin password2: That's not true either... I don't apparently have very little experience with Linux
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