twb | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F — there are many answers, but MOST of the time it's not related to religion. |
twb | Interestingly, the right of return doesn't follow halakhic rules, and is much stricter for Ethiopians than, say, Russians. |
twb | Huh. "Argos" sometimes means "silver", BUT sometimes means "not working" (a- + ergos) |
twb | I feel an urgent need to accost people in Milton Keynes and explain this volubly. |
rindolf | twb: <joke>re "who is a Jew?" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovadia_Yosef has the privilege of blessing everyone he pleases (and their maternal descendents) as a Jew, and he is yet to answer "no" to the question "Is [insert entity here] a pure Jew?"» |
twb | "pure" eyeroll |
twb | rindolf: I think I must be misreading you somehow, because it sounds like "whenever asked 'is X a Jew?' he always answers 'yes'" — which seems unlikely for an ultra-orthodox dude |
twb | Since someone's bound to have asked e.g. "is Rudolph the red-nosed reindeer a Jew" by now |
rindolf | it is believed he dressed in the extravagant custom from the same reason as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darth_Vader who openly admitted he uses his robot custom because it is memorable |
rindolf | twb: it was a joke - take it easy. and in that joke world, he answered "yes" to that question. there are also several sects of superintelligent Jewish cats there. </joke> |
* rindolf | is trying to be strange but amusing |
rindolf | my junior high / high school friend was smarter, had more vivid imagination, and was funnier than I was at the time |
twb | rindolf: before the school got a restraining order? |
rindolf | twb: restraining order for whom? and punishments in .il are light given Saladin's ethics |
rindolf | twb: have you watched https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kung_Fu_Panda_2 ? i like how Po forgives the villain at the end |
twb | rindolf: schools often take a dim view of old men being friends with high school students |
rindolf | twb: m friend |
rindolf | twb: that aforementioned friend was/is my age |
rindolf | twb: and i think age difference friendships are overblown. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samantha_Smith was 10 when she 'slew' two mighty superpowers |
toretto | In this context, "John's works have been highly criticized by other scholars, including Jacob and Lucy, for his illogical thinking" -- Do I need to use "have been" or "has been"? |
toretto | What's right word to use? Have vs Has |
rindolf | toretto: "have been" |
toretto | thanks |
toretto | s/her/his/ |
rindolf | toretto: plural is "have" usually |
toretto | I see, makes sense. |
StayHungry | good morning, comrades :) |
StayHungry | i wonder if there are any reputable sources left in English-speaking world which still adhere that singular they is... a controversial thing? |
StayHungry | I relied upon Chicago manual of style in this matter, but it seems they too gave up |
rindolf | StayHungry: i used singular "they" in the past, but now use "he" again at times. |
ksft | it could *maybe* be considered nonstandard when referring to specific people of known (binary) gender |
ksft | but it's been used for centuries generically |
ksft | including by Shakespeare and in the King James Bible |
rindolf | KJV used it too, yes |
ksft | it's actually older than the singular "you" |
ksft | https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/they#Usage_notes |
StayHungry | ksft: used does not mean common. for example, i use word 'invective' on par with ancient ancestors, whereas it's not common in English. |
twb | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they |
kompowiec | in my country we have inflection and i can use only "he" in sentence. I don't consider this to be a mistake. |
twb | kompowiec: in which language? |
kompowiec | we have* |
kompowiec | polish |
kompowiec | I remember a funny situation where some idiot called my language sexist for that reason. |
ksft | StayHungry: I don't think I understand your point |
ksft | I meant that it's been standard usage for centuries |
kompowiec | just because you can change any word in English because there is no inflection, does not mean that in other languages it is possible. |
ksft | was that person an English speaker? |
twb | kompowiec: English has inflexion, just not for gender (mostly) |
StayHungry | also, i live both outside of golden billion and gender-whatever discourse, so that wikipedia article written by you know whom is not relevant. i'm looking not for fashion advice, but for sources that still stick to what is make sense grammatically, not politically. |
ksft | if so, you could respond by pointing to words that are always gendered in English |
ksft | like "niece"/"nephew" |
kompowiec | he knew another language, but it was not a inflection language |
twb | kompowiec: pronouns still inflect for gender, as does the adjective "blond/blonde" and, historically, some jobs (e.g. "invigilator/invigilatrix") |
ksft | some jobs still do |
kompowiec | negress :P |
ksft | "waiter"/"waitress", "actor"/"actress" |
twb | ksft: depending on the dialect, yes |
ksft | the masculine one is also generic in all cases I can think of, though |
kompowiec | > invigilatrix |
kompowiec | i never heard of it |
LuisP14 | niece* :x |
ksft | niece*, yes |
twb | kompowiec: it is a woman who prevents students from cheating during an exam |
kompowiec | oo |
twb | kompowiec: "doctress" and "actress" and "aviatrix" are attested more commonly. |
ksft | "proctor", in American English |
twb | Also "danceuse" |
kompowiec | that's what I was gonna say, it's from the British |
twb | ksft: well... "proctress" in that case ;-) |
ksft | what variant uses "doctress"? |
twb | ksft: none anymore, but it was readily apparent in the early 1900s |
kompowiec | I only know the American dialect, probably because of its ubiquitous presence. |
twb | kompowiec: I'd have thought Poland more likely to use British due to proximity, but I guess all the rest of western europe is in between you |
ksft | I think mandatory gendering is unfortunate in languages, but it's ridiculous to suggest that people who use those languages are doing something wrong |
StayHungry | rindolf: how do you deal with those who are eager to correct you when you use 'he'? |
rindolf | <StayHungry> rindolf: how do you deal with those who are eager to correct you when you use 'he'? ==> it doesn't happen a lot, but i tell them "you're right. point taken. force of habit' to be the bigger person there |
StayHungry | diplomatist :) |
rindolf | StayHungry: Chuck Norris round house kicks doors open instead of using their keys. Summer Glau makes sure doors have already been open using her mind. ;) |
* StayHungry | looks up Summer Glau |
rindolf | StayHungry: «Summer Glau (born 1981) is a Hollywood actress best known for playing River Tam in Firefly and Cameron, a Terminator, in the Television series The Sarah Connor Chronicles. She is also notable for being featured in the online comics, xkcd, and for being featured as a fictional version of herself in [my] realistic, political, fan-fiction, screenplay, Summerschool at the NSA.» |
StayHungry | yeah :) |
StayHungry | passed me by except for a couple of Terminator series |
rindolf | StayHungry: i know her primarily from https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/406:_Venting |
StayHungry | :)) |
twb | rindolf: looking in the scrollback my brain hurt because I was like "the river Tam doesn't flow through Cameron" |
StayHungry | :D |
rindolf | StayHungry: "everybody knows that, right?" https://youtu.be/QmklkUpN1YA?t=149 |
rindolf | twb: heh, Cambridge does have a River Cam. it's a lovely town. |
twb | rindolf: i mean, obviously. That's what it's named after. |
rindolf | twb: where do you live, btw |
twb | Melbourne |
StayHungry | kangaroos :D |
rindolf | twb: yes, I wasn't aware of that till I've visited it |
twb | «When last I was in Cambridge, I stood atop the university church and heard the immortal words: "See that building over there? That's older than your country, that is." -- Martin Ellis» |
rindolf | didn't make the connection |
* StayHungry | looks up Martin Ellis |
rindolf | my brain is full of disparate and seemingly random knowledge |
StayHungry | very post-modern :) |
rindolf | StayHungry: one of my screenplays is subtitled "caught between post-modernism and the new age" |
rindolf | bye for now - walk. /me is away |
StayHungry | give me that which is subtitled 'salvation lies within' :) |
rindolf | StayHungry: "the Schwartz is in you" |
* rindolf | is back from his walk - only the future will tell whether it is good news or not ;) |
twb | powershell-preview_7.2.0-preview.7-1.deb_amd64.deb alone is 64MB, and that's- oh it appears to embed a copy of the CLR, which won't get security support |
rindolf | i suspect we/the gods/etc. have free choice |
rindolf | twb: that sucks |
twb | How is this actually working? It's a single "pwsh" executable and a bunch of .dll's. Where's the CLR? |
rindolf | i don't mind getting cracked, but i hate it when software crashes |
pussipupu | I'm not and not |
twb | Can it access any of the system CLR libraries? |
pussipupu | But it's a huge improvement over their old thing |
twb | pussipupu: are you talking about cmd.exe or about conhost? |
pussipupu | Not something I'd use on my own machines, cute that's another issue |
twb | Because you can get rid of conhost without having to learn ps |
pussipupu | the former |
twb | pussipupu: in that case just put bash.exe on a UNC share |
pussipupu | I'd rather just have a REPL with a real language, but one takes what one gets at work |
twb | That's what I did back in 2001 |
rindolf | twb: i think the CLR is inside the .dll files |
twb | rindolf: yeah I expected that to be more obvious |
* StayHungry | always suspected ##english is a covert agent of #powershell :D |
twb | I made my dad use powershell for his ffmpeg-to-google script |
twb | He doesn't like that double-click opens the IDE instead of just executing it |
rindolf | StayHungry: hello, NSA! ;) |
rindolf | StayHungry: the mossad can neither confirm nor deny having a secret cabal headed by https://mlp.fandom.com/wiki/Fluttershy |
rindolf | </jokes> |
rindolf | twb: ah |
pussipupu | I'm not sure I dislike bash significantly less than PowerShell, and it's not my machine to be installing things on |
twb | I never installed it on their machine |
pussipupu | OK |
twb | I did ⌘+r \\twb-smb-server\blah\bash.exe \\twb-smb-server\blah\fix-problem.bash |
twb | If I was doing it today I'd probably use lua. Also since Active Directory landed, that would probably complain that bash.exe wasn't signed. |
rindolf | twb: I dislike reverse ageism - "you cannot teach an old dog new tricks" |
twb | I only did that on NT 4.0 through Vista |
twb | rindolf: paleophobia? |
rindolf | twb: maybe |
rindolf | twb: I was told and believe that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_II is "as sharp as a tack" and her retired husband certainly was |
blkshp | How is that reverse ageism? |
pussipupu | ageism doesn't have a default direction even |
blkshp | Precisely, like "reverse racism" there's no such thing. |
StayHungry | only reverse cowgirl left... |
twb | eyeroll |
Babar | what's the word for mental communication with someone? Tele...something? |
StayHungry | telepathy |
pussipupu | telepathy |
ln | mindmeld |
Babar | that, yes, thanks |
Babar | (telepathy, not mindmeld) |
rindolf | blkshp: "the media" often portrays Liz II as senile. |
pussipupu | The UK media don't |
pussipupu | They often fawn over her though |
blkshp | rindolf: Don't refer to Her Majesty as Liz II |
StayHungry | :D |
Babar | (or else) |
rindolf | blkshp: i mean something like "my grandfather is too old to use Linux" |
blkshp | That's just plain old ageism |
blkshp | Babar: you got it. |
rindolf | blkshp: heh. Lizzie 2.01b |
blkshp | I will end you. |
* blkshp | loads photon torpedo tubes |
StayHungry | royal family is still a thing? |
blkshp | Yes. |
pussipupu | Sadly |
blkshp | Not sadly. |
huf | that's hardly the problem |
pussipupu | Not to you |
huf | it's the stuff they stole that is |
blkshp | here we go. |
pussipupu | It's not the largest problem but it's one of them :p |
huf | I'd like to quote philosophytube's great video on the topic |
rindolf | blkshp: photon torpedoes are no match against my EvilAntlers |
blkshp | :D |
StayHungry | wonder how do they cope with that uncombed vulgar fellow who presumably rules the nation, i'd burn the shame |
StayHungry | *with shame |
blkshp | You leave Boris be. |
huf | no dear, that's Britney |
rindolf | blkshp: my EvilAntlers® more accurately - I am a trademark troll |
rindolf | nonreverse agism is like "he's too young to write a novel/screenplay" |
twb | rindolf: I don't agree with that |
rindolf | twb: with which point i've made? |
twb | rindolf: I disagree with 19:30 <rindolf> nonreverse agism is like "he's too young to write a novel/screenplay" |
rindolf | twb: why? |
twb | I think "agist" covers both "presidents must be at least 40 years old" and "fuck off out of our skate park, grandad" |
twb | I suppose you might make a case that graduated minimum wage (i.e. McDonalds can pay a 14yo 20% less than an 18yo) is "reverse agism" |
rindolf | twb: ah, i see. well, fair enough. we may need good terminology for both opposites |
twb | rindolf: just make up your own words |
twb | e.g. ephebophobia, paleophobia |
rindolf | twb: i see - Latin... |
rindolf | twb: re McDonalds' wage: https://www.crfashionbook.com/celebrity/a27409908/linda-evangelista-quote-10000-a-day/ |
rindolf | or is it Greek |
twb | rindolf: I don't understand the link to minimum wage |
twb | rindolf: your link doesn't seem to mention "McDonalds", or "wage" at all |
pussipupu | A link to a non sequitur? Shocking |
rindolf | twb: well, i mean : 1.some people's time is worth more. 2. McDonalds' workers likely have other venues of income and derive inspiration from serving |
rindolf | they might also be getting paid much more now |
rindolf | McDonalds workers might also be getting paid much more now |
rindolf | << And, in fact, you can’t even be sure that the demand curve is downward sloping. The only reason we assumed that the demand curve is downward sloping is that we assumed things like “if Freddy is willing to buy a pair of sneakers for $130, he is certainly willing to buy those same sneakers for $20.” Right? Ha! Not if Freddy is an American teenager! American teenagers would not be caught dead in $20 sneakers. It’s, like, |
rindolf | um, the death penalty? if you are wearing sneakers? that only cost $20 a pair? in school? I’m not joking around here: prices send signals. Movies in my town cost, I think, $11. Criminy. There used to be a movie theatre that had movies for $3. Did anyone go there? I DON’T THINK SO. It’s obviously just a dumping ground for lousy movies. Somebody is now at the bottom of the East River with $20.00 cement sneakers because they dar |
rindolf | ed to tell the consumer which movies the industry thought were lousy.>> |
rindolf | -- from https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2004/12/15/camels-and-rubber-duckies/ |
twb | rindolf: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veblen_good |
twb | Also related: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemons_market |
rindolf | twb: good link, thanks |
rindolf | twb++ |
tinsoldier | twb: +28, -1 = 27. Informative (1) |
pussipupu | .help ++ |
* saganman | is now known as HubertFarnsworth |
HubertFarnsworth | woah, Rindolf is here |
HubertFarnsworth | Hey Rindolf, I am SaganMan from Freenode, twitter |
blkshp | Did you not invent some kind of video communications device? |
rindolf | HubertFarnsworth: hi, i remember you |
rindolf | HubertFarnsworth: how are you? |
HubertFarnsworth | That's nice rindolf. I am okay. Surviving! |
HubertFarnsworth | How are you rindolf? |
rindolf | HubertFarnsworth: I'm fine - philosophical |
rindolf | HubertFarnsworth: trying to lose The-Game™ |
HubertFarnsworth | fine is good, what are you up to these days? reading anything good? |
rindolf | HubertFarnsworth: sure - irc logs, random web pages,my screenplays, tweets: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/tl;dr for the win for now |
tinwhiskers | StayHungry: that's not a quality that is common to all humans :-/ |
HubertFarnsworth | blkshp: Are you enjoying Wodehouse? |
HubertFarnsworth | rindolf: Haha. I always collected logs but never read them. |
rindolf | HubertFarnsworth: i think in life, the walk can be better than the destination |
blkshp | I enjoyed the one about the cow creamer, yes! |
HubertFarnsworth | haha |
blkshp | but i have decided I'm going to take them separated by something else, I'm currently on Stephen King's Cujo. |
StayHungry | tinwhiskers: tragedies often embitter people, make them callous and detached. but some stay afloat. |
tinwhiskers | ah. I see. |
HubertFarnsworth | ah, Stephen King |
rindolf | HubertFarnsworth: i mean i'm reading the real time chats i participate in |
huf | I have a friend who insists it's supposed to be pronounced with an f instead of a v (the Stephen in Stephen King) |
HubertFarnsworth | ah I see |
rindolf | huf: heh, he sounds stubborn |
HubertFarnsworth | rindolf: the destination is death and the walk at times is good but sucks mostly |
blkshp | Relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d6r6nhBcIbA |
rindolf | my father keeps insisting that https://duckduckgo.com/Rosh_Hashanah?ia=web is not a chag |
rindolf | HubertFarnsworth: you cannot physically die in The-Game™ |
rindolf | StayHungry: i prefer crossover classical: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZd1GsRHVts |
StayHungry | rindolf: hooray for animation :D |
rindolf | StayHungry: i love animations! Disney, WB, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Little_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic ; the Muppets ; you name it |
tinwhiskers | random |
kompowiec | rindolf: 5 season is best |
kompowiec | especially i mean first and latest episode |
rindolf | kompowiec: of MLP: fim? |
kompowiec | yep |
kompowiec | but I don't think I have finished watching the rest of the episodes until today. I think I ended up in the 7th season, I think. |
rindolf | kompowiec: ah, i liked most episodes and also stopped watching after the end of season 7. i felt it ended well, and the novelty factor was gone. |