Insayne | Oh, Hey |
neoncortex | hey. |
Insayne | what’s up? |
neoncortex | at the moment, Im contemplating my computer screen, resting. |
neoncortex | just finished my system documentation searching tool, now resting a little to start writing other tools. |
Insayne | ah, cool |
rindolf | neoncortex: hi, I’m reminded of https://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/ideas/unixdoc/ |
neoncortex | rindolf: thats interesting, I called my tool nixdoc. |
neoncortex | its much simpler I suppose, it is just a gui that allows you to search, manual pages and info pages, and open them, in pdf. |
rindolf | neoncortex: ah. git url? |
rindolf | neoncortex: I’m trying to repress the memory of GNU info |
rascul | info pages are ok but GNU’s info browser is kinda crappy but there exists pinfo which is kinda lynx like |
neoncortex | rindolf: I did not published. I is really simple and I dont know if people would be interested. When you open it, you see this: https://0x0.st/H3Un.jpg . Then you can search a info page, for example: https://0x0.st/H3U5.jpg, then you can position you cursor in any of the results file, click view: https://0x0.st/H3UR.jpg . |
rascul | there’s also tkinfo |
neoncortex | same with manpages, with the difference that you can filter by section, also. |
rindolf | https://www.gnu.org/manual/manual.html has ok UX though |
rascul | I generally prefer GNU’s html stuff to the info pages |
rascul | well i guess the html stuff is just the info pages as html though |
neoncortex | rascul: hm, tkinfo is interesting, but I do rather read the info pages sequentially, in one document. |
neoncortex | thats why I read them in pdf. |
neoncortex | also goddam apropos, when you search with sections like: apropos -s 1,2 whatever, it does not deliver in order. I fixed that, I do, in the case above, two apropos calls sequentially, and present the results xD |
rindolf | neoncortex: your screenies have a Windows XP vibe \o/ |
neoncortex | rindolf: its themed with Windows XP themes, yes xD |
Slimey | hehe |
neoncortex | it feels alive, not that gray/white blob modern. I remember how ugly I thought windows xp was at the time, but damn, I do rather use that. |
rindolf | neoncortex: https://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/show.cgi?id=sharp-perl-modern-web-sites |
neoncortex | rindolf: exactly. |
rocks | tl;dr |
neoncortex | tldr: modern applications are just a white/gray box with black text, look like death. |
neoncortex | like the rindolf link state, sometimes not even black, just less white. |
neoncortex | like, damn, this is not a art project, or a magazine page, it is a tool. |
neoncortex | and thats ironic: to have your white retangle with some text, you need 27 frameworks, and some good memory. |
neoncortex | plan9 can do the same, with 0 overhead xD |
The_Blode | With rounded corners |
BlueyHealer | and it will not display without JS on |
The_Blode | Oh hey |
neoncortex | no, it will not. It does less with more. Amazing. |
The_Blode | Lots of sites simply do not work without JS. |
BlueyHealer | ye but some have no excuse for such behavior |
neoncortex | yeah, I just click the back button, generally. |
The_Blode | Yep just to get the analytics for their own purposes |
The_Blode | I wonder if someone has / is developing some application that can translate a website into a useable "clean" version |
The_Blode | Using clean JS code |
The_Blode | Detoxify websites if you will |
The_Blode | I guess you can block certain JS script but it would be nice to have a tool do it all |
neoncortex | that is one thing that is in back of my mind for a time. You need a proxy web translator. Something that will interpret a modern web page, and present a sane version. There is a project, that uses webkit, read the page, and translates it into images, with clickable links, and all. It was made for old machines with ancient browsers to browse the web. |
The_Blode | Oldweb? |
neoncortex | I dont remember the name. I’m searching my notes, I think I wrote something about it. |
The_Blode | Yeah, I’m aware of that project...but I believe it takes archive.org pages and makes them "usable" |
The_Blode | Maybe I could look into creating something too :) it might be a nice thing to have. |
neoncortex | found it in my notes: webkit-rendering-proxy, https://github.com/tenox7/wrp |
The_Blode | Interesting! Thank you |
neoncortex | =D |
The_Blode | One for BlueyHealer |
The_Blode | But I’ll also give this a go |
The_Blode | Yeah...I believe I have seen this before. |
rocks | You could always just get a non-old computer. Centralizing processing of some page rendering still means it has to happen somewhere |
The_Blode | Or not...this is what the Oldweb is using -> https://webrecorder.net/ |
neoncortex | rocks: sure, but it is even more secure, since you have a web interpreting server, that, in case of bugs or whatever, will not infect your machine. |
neoncortex | you are basically insulated from it. |
rocks | I think it has been forever since the last time I was infected by a web site |
neoncortex | rocks: I never crashed a car, and yet I use the seat belt. To be fair, the police would ticket me, but still xD |
neoncortex | I crashed a motorcycle, but thats another story. |
neoncortex | my current setup include firejailing web browsers, but that wrp would be even better. |
rocks | -EPARANOIA |
neoncortex | ha |
rocks | If you really believe that web services are a threat, you would keep them on a completely separate system to other things you care about |
rocks | Not rely on just more layers of technology as a comfort blanket |
neoncortex | that may be the next step, yes. |
neoncortex | but firejail with -private is good. |
neoncortex | err, --private |
neoncortex | pressed the wrong button ¬_¬ |