| Botje | crane_work: 5.6 is ancient. |
| pink_mist | crane_work: use perlbrew |
| mauke | do you mean 5.6? |
| Botje | crane_work: even 5.10 is end of line. |
| mauke | then you need to install 5.6 |
| mauke | also, uninstall 5.6 and 5.10 and install 5.16 |
| DrForr | crane_work: Then install v5.6 with perlbrew. And pad your keyboard for the inevitable <headdesk/>s. |
| DrForr | And holy god why do you *need* something last bug-fixed in the last *century*. |
| Botje | or, you know, use a version of perl developed *after* 9/11. |
| lesshaste | mauke: would you be able to share the code with me? |
| crane_work | lol ^^ |
| mauke | lesshaste: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/204936 |
| lesshaste | thanks! |
| Botje | if necessary, tell your boss perl 5.16 has been terrorism-proofed. |
| DrForr | crane_work: Ha ha only *serious*. 5.6 is almost unrecognizable under the cobwebs. |
| crane_work | i guess this would be a pro argument... |
| pink_mist | crane_work: as we've said a few times: perlbrew |
| lesshaste | mauke: I get that's fast! |
| lesshaste | I bet |
| mauke | lesshaste: I doubt it |
| lesshaste | we need someone to work on pyperl :) |
| mauke | it seeks all over the place |
| lesshaste | mauke: why? |
| lesshaste | ah ok |
| huf | c code with perl reindenting is ... strange |
| mauke | but that's why I wanted to test it on a nontrivial data set :-) |
| DrForr | Why would compiling to a different VM do any good?... |
| DrForr | Oh, because it's python, therefore better. Silly me. |
| huf | it'd force people to understand (and fix) the darkest corners of the perl grammar? *shrug* dunno |
| mauke | grammar and semantics |
| huf | that too. the vote on how to interpolate $length[1234] into regexes doesn't make me feel good... |
| lesshaste | DrForr: it's not really python |
| lesshaste | DrForr: In fact, it's not python :) |
| lesshaste | DrForr: they just did the same thing for PHP |
| lesshaste | DrForr: and was some project for Prolog etc in the past |
| crane_work | maybe this question would be stupid but... why if use v5.06 is stupid is it possible to tell perl to use a version? |
| mauke | crane_work: what? |
| huf | use v5.6 isn't stupid, it just does something other than what you wanted. |
| lesshaste | DrForr: the idea is simply that it would be *faster* |
| crane_work | huf: in which cases will i need it=? |
| rindolf | lesshaste: isn't pyperl this - http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyPerl ? |
| mauke | when your code doesn't run on 5.005 and earlier |
| huf | crane_work: use VERSION means your script requires at least that version of perl. if an older one tries to load it, it'll tell you to fuck off and get a newer perl. it will not turn your new perl into an old one however. |
| lesshaste | rindolf: that has the same name :) I mean using pypy to make a JIT for perl as in http://pypy.org/ |
| rindolf | lesshaste: OK, there's perlito. |
| mst | crane_work: if you want to check for things |
| mst | crane_work: Perl::MinimumVersion exists IIRC |
| rindolf | perlbot: perlito |
| perlbot | rindolf: No factoid found. Did you mean one of these: [#perl topic] [perl topic] [perl tutorials] [perl5004delta] [perl5005delta] [perl561delta] [perl56delta] [perl570delta] [perl6 Test.pm] [perldata] |
| lesshaste | rindolf: is that a static compiler or a JIT? |
| DrForr | crane_work: Then start with 5.16 and don't worry about earlier versions. |
| rindolf | perlbot: perlito is http://perlito.org/ - a Perl 5 / Perl 6 compiler written in Perl 5 / Perl 6. |
| perlbot | rindolf: Stored perlito is http://perlito.org/ - a Perl 5 / Perl 6 compiler written in Perl 5 / Perl 6. |
| rmah | people should just call it perl 16 |
| huf | but it isn't. |
| mst | I have a tendency to say /usr/bin/perl version 16 |
| mst | since -V says 'perl revision 5 version 16'; |
| mst | so it *is* "version 16" |
| rmah | they called java 1.4 "java 4" |
| rmah | it's just marketing man! |
| GlitchMr | Perl 16 would be too confusing with Perl 6 |
| mst | perl6 is a separate language |
| rmah | GlitchMr: we'll soon have Perl 18, so it's all good |
| GlitchMr | Perl 5.006 is definitely not Perl 6 |
| mst | this is perl5 version 16 |
| michael_campbell | They called java 1.4, "java 1.4". java moved names at java 5. |
| michael_campbell | but point stands. |
| huf | did it help? i know it generated years of confusion :D |
| huf | is that good? |
| mauke | GlitchMr: but I call it perl6, not perl 6 |
| mst | GlitchMr: yeah, "Perl 6" is an error, since the 6 is part of the name |
| Su-Shee | I call Java "Anne-Mary Lousia" and Python "Charles Phillip Arthur George" (bonus points for recognizing this one ;) |
| mst | GlitchMr: people misparse it as "perl version 6" |
| rmah | how much of an improvement is perl 16 over perl 14 and 12? |
| Botje | Su-Shee: do you also put them like that on your CV? :) |
| rindolf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Systemd is at version 187 - eat your heart out, Emacs! |
| rmah | wondering if I should go through the hassle of upgrading |
| Botje | rmah: five percent. |
| DrForr | Su-Shee: Vaguely. |
| mst | Su-Shee: python's ears aren't nearly big enough for that |
| pink_mist | rmah: read the perldoc perldeltas |
| rmah | Botje: hmm, ok |
| mst | rmah: s//r in 14 is my favourite thing ever |
| rmah | pink_mist: that would take actual work! <gasp!> |
| mst | rmah: also 'package Name VERSION {' |
| Su-Shee | mst: *bow* nice. :) |
| GlitchMr | s///r is just nice syntactic sugar |
| rmah | mst: thanks for the info |
| mst | GlitchMr: given a Turing machine, all new syntax is sugar |
| rmah | I like sugar |
| GlitchMr | Hmmm... yeah |
| GlitchMr | We all could write without pointers in C |
| mauke | could we? |
| GlitchMr | Brainfuck to C compiler doesn't use pointers |
| GlitchMr | ... or perhaps it does... |
| GlitchMr | Would int array[3000]; count as pointer? |
| mst | without the ability to point, what would you do before you laugh? |
| Altreus | mst: you should tweet that profundity |
| Altreus | might not be banal enough for twitter mind you |