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Klinda | demib0y, if you use xml the google search does it rank you low? |
rindolf | Klinda: hi. What do you mean /? |
rindolf | XHTML5? |
rindolf | brwser-side XSLT? |
Klinda | I don’t know I am not good in web development |
rindolf | Klinda: https://github.com/shlomif/Freenode-programming-channel-FAQ/blob/master/FAQ_with_ToC__generated.md#why-should-i-learn-how-to-program-properly |
Klinda | rindolf, you like to post links instead of talking ahah |
demib0y | hi Klinda |
demib0y | Klinda, do you mean, if you use some arbitrary XML vocabulary rather than XHTML, does your Web site show up lower in Google results? |
demib0y | if so, likely yes, because Google won’t know how to generate snippet results |
demib0y | the Google Web crawler does not seem to run XSLT |
demib0y | as a result, server-side transformations are generally better. |
Klinda | xhtml is html ? |
demib0y | it’s HTML represented in XML |
demib0y | so e.g. you can run XSLT or XQuery on it in the Web server, and also serve it up to google’s bot and to browsers |
rindolf | demib0y: server-side or SSGed |
rindolf | demib0y: and thx4helping |
Klinda | demib0y, is it just a conversion to make think are you using html to google? |
dodobrain | Klinda, it is a lot easier to interpret is what he is saying. and thats what goog will do. use the simplest/fastest/least_resource_hungry method(s) to parse/interpret/rank/etc. |
Klinda | but why do you have a particular thing about xml vs html? |
dodobrain | pure xml would mean it can contain anything! (i mean you have your own custom elements, etc. with xhtml your known elements are limited in scope and at least Google’s parser/whatever is able to interpret it (mostly?) |
dodobrain | what do you mean by your question? I’m not understanding it |
Klinda | I think here you prefer bulding site with xml instead of html |
dodobrain | really? what gave you that impression? |
dodobrain | xml isnt so popular for serving webpages |
Klinda | because you are on #xml |
Klinda | for what propuse are you here ? XD |
dodobrain | xml is used for a lot more things than just "building sites" |
Klinda | like what? |
dodobrain | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XML#Applications |
dodobrain | mainly for data exchange.. you know your json, i hope? well, json is useless because there is no schema definition on it |
Klinda | json it’s cool |
dodobrain | there is json-schema but its not as elegant as xml schemas |
Klinda | xml what offers more |
dodobrain | with xml, the dtds and schemas and other xml files are *all* xml files themselves |
dodobrain | validation and transformation is better on xml |
Klinda | I guess I should try it to understand |
dodobrain | anyway, I’m not sure what your objective is. i consider myself an xml noob who hasnt used xml (directly or indirectly) for a long while (prolly 7 years or so) |
dodobrain | others here can explain and help you better I’m sure |
rindolf | Klinda: https://www.shlomifish.org/meta/FAQ/why_xml.xhtml |
dodobrain | Klinda, given a json blob and say you want to extract data out of it, the way to do it is to write a program to extract the data out. now if the data you need to extract needs to change, you edit your program or rewrite it from scratch |
dodobrain | with xml input files, you define the operations needed to do the extraction and never actually write a program directly but you specify the operations that need to happen to extract/transform the data you need |
dodobrain | and the beautiful thing about this is that list of operations you write is itself an xml file! so you can run validations/etc. on your transformation operations themselves :) |
Klinda | is it popular to do or not? |
Klinda | or all use json? |
rindolf | Klinda: sorry if I’m too blunt, but you need to be less wilfully ignorant and lazy to be educable here |
Klinda | I don’t care about web development, I will be an ai engineer btw, I can’t be jesus chirst |
rindolf | Klinda: then why did you ask about google-indexing? |
Klinda | I want to build a personal site or maybe sites which uses ml models |
rindolf | Klinda: ml = machine-learning? |
Klinda | yes |
Klinda | I have to study react.js and a back-end like flask/django/ I think |
rindolf | Klinda: generating sites using ML sounds like spamming |
Klinda | what do you mean? |
rindolf | Klinda: what isn’t clear? |
Klinda | spamming in what sense? |
Klinda | I said that as backend has a model in which users can interact with it |
rindolf | Klinda: spammming as in "generating lots of low-quality, non-original, often non-functional, content" |
Klinda | why not? |
Klinda | ai will be the next big thing ahah |
Klinda | much better than just being a slave and work as backend and frontend |
Klinda | I don’t see how one can have a degree and do a web dev |
Klinda | you can do also without |
Klinda | also NASA is going to use AI |
Klinda | only you, you don’t like it ahah |
rindolf | Klinda: something is wrong in your English comprehension |
rindolf | Klinda: "[lots of] low-quality, non-original, often non-functional, content" isn’t a good thing |
Klinda | for you is bad |
Klinda | I am studying in a master of ai |
Klinda | and you want to make me cry I did a wrong stuff? |
Klinda | ahah |
Klinda | cool part |
rindolf | Klinda: [[Is a certain software technology good just because I heard that NASA uses it? |
rindolf | NASA is large (and has a large budget) and has been around for many decades, and so uses many different technologies, some of them may not be too recommended in the general case. While the Python homepage used to proclaim that "NASA uses Python", with a photo of an astronaut, and it is technically true, it was largely marketing built on common ignorance. |
rindolf | Among the other technologies that NASA has used are: |
rindolf | Fortran |
rindolf | COBOL |
rindolf | VAX |
rindolf | Forth |
rindolf | Assembly |
rindolf | Perl 5 |
rindolf | Windows, MS Word, and MS Outlook |
rindolf | Note that we do not mean to imply that Python or whatever are bad just because NASA uses them, just that you should not use that fact as an argument in their favour.]] |
Klinda | try next time |
Klinda | https://www.spaceappschallenge.org/2023/challenges/ |
Klinda | I participate to this |