A typical day on #svn, the Subversion channel sussman: I get a " " instead of "!" !! for the parent directory? banishes libsvn_wc into the underworld #svn Freenode The Subversion developers acting like children on #svn heh sussman just filed a dup, sussman just filed a dup, sussman just fi points and laughs at sussman everyone: point and laugh at sussman hears the raucous, hyena-like sound of #svn laughing at sussman crumbles #svn Freenode Writing a BitKeeper Replacement

Writing a BitKeeper replacement is probably easier at this point than getting its license changed.

Matt Mackall on OFTC.net #offtopic.

P.S: Matt Mackall has eventually projected Mercurial, which is a version control system, and an alternative to BitKeeper.

Matt Mackall Internal Microsoft Code

Sometimes I think Microsoft has more internal code than code it sells to the outside.

Shlomi Fish Subversion: Contributing Member

Great. Just Great. I wanted to remain a lazy leech, just using the selfless work others have done on subversion for my own personal advantage. The problem is, as soon as I read HACKING and learn how to submit a patch and begin by contributing something as tiny as a FAQ fix, I'll be hooked, and I'll start to become a contributing member of society. Next, I'm afraid I'll want to tackle a bite-sized task and help fix bugs and develop the product. (You guys are so sneaky!!) :-)

(“Sorry, Honey. Can you take care of that? I have to submit another svn patch…”)

— Steve Dwire on the Subversion Development List

Steve Dwire Post to svn-dev What happened to Christopher Michael Pilato?

What happened to Christopher Michael Pilato?
Is he gone?
Is he gone for good?
Is he gone for better?
Is he gone for best?
Is he gone forever?
Will he return?
Who is Christopher Michael Pilato, anyway?

Shlomi Fish Adapted from an IRC Monologue Discussing the Subversion Build System in #svn. sussman: for the record, I think the build system is the ultimate proof that python code can be as bad as Perl one. giggles hehe hopes he's not starting a flamewar btw, freebsd svn port maintainer was complaining about unable to do --with-swig specifying only perl or python bindings to build.. notes that the topic of this channel is Subversion. (so he refused to include the option for building either bindings in the port!) I once saw a perl5 code written in perl4 style. Now that was hideous. complicated != bad "Building is complicated--that's why build systems are complicated." --kfogel #svn Freenode Python vs. Perl on #svn Is gstein the person to blame for the anti-Perl FUD on http://viewcvs.sf.net/? yes. likely. . . . Subversion used to be this amazing nest of anti-perl people. That's calmed down a bit... largely because Greg Stein has been distracted. :) I personally am a Perl guy who despises Python, but can still tolerate the Subversion tests because they are actually shell scripts in disguise. thinks there are other Python-loving Perl haters around #svn Freenode #svn - Faster Checkouts wow. so 0.33 is gonna have way faster checkouts/updates in both network layers. that's fantastic. how is this compared to http, svn-ssh and cvs: svn co floppy:// ? Has anyone measured this? floppy://? hehehe yes, the floppy network. -:) #svn Freenode #svn while releasing svn 0.34 rollin rollin rollin keep that tarball rollin o/~ roll roll roll the ball o/~ o/~ gently down the stream o/~ roll the plasma ball? roll~~~ #svn #svn Freenode kfogel is Paranoid on #svn ghudson: there was a three hour difference, so people would have noticed the warnings but yes, that's the only difference i.e., you could theoretically test with the current test tarball Yeah, not important for my purposes, is what I meant. is super paranoid and prefers testing of the real tarball, but has retained just enough sanity to know that this is paranoia... "Why, what could *possibly* go wrong?" watches kfogel's hair spontaneously combust arrrrgh kfogel committed revision 7737: * CHANGES: Mention APR req upgrade for 0.33. wonders how kfogel will deal with having burning hair... #svn Freenode #svn - Red Hat 9 ghudson: what OS did you compile the tarball on? Red Hat 9. me too, hm. wishes he were still using freebsd, for diversity's sake wishes sussman were a chocolate cake mmmm... cake... #svn Freenode #svn - Commit Thuds weird, mine and jack's come out way too fast with this player... but the others all work fine. and after hearing them all, i have two things to say: first, it must be really amusing hearing that stuff randomly throughout the day in the office, and two, cmike spent far too long on his ;-) rooneg: yours and jack's got corrupted cmpilato goofed when converting from mp3 to ogg he's gonna fix it, tho cool considers filing a critical issue about the problem ;-) heh obviously this will block any 1.0 release indeed. #svn Freenode Swedish Chef on #svn bork bork bork svn mv mbk "swedish chef" ROFL svn revert #svn Freenode Petting stuff on #svn sussman committed revision 6517: A minimal C client app, for demonstration purposes. Now we can point pets CIA again pets sussman again eep #svn Freenode What CIA Watches on #svn rindolf: CIA watches much more than just Subversion. Google on it (uh, include the word "commit" too I guess), the details are quite interesting. it's currently watching kfogel's houseplants rindolf: If you don't know Fitz, you'll probably assume he's joking. go into #commits you can see all the CIA commits for different opensource projects ...which is to say, all the commits. muwah-ha-hah-hah-haaaaah hides #svn Freenode A typical day at #svn (the Subversion channel) is compiling the Mozilla 1.6 RPM now whispers, "Firebird" whispers, "Galeon" whispers "Safari" Ah, Linux. Have it Your Way. wonders why so many people are whispering shhhhh! shouts "Stop the whispering insanity!" whispers "What’s up with that rindolf guy ?" says, "when did we all get trapped in a MUD"? #svn Freenode Huge Repository on #svn - the Subversion channel. clkao: I have a 1.25TB CVS repo that I'm afraid they'll ask me to convert fear! ... and loathing! you must! since you're @collab heh indeed. It would probably go into several SVN repos (there are no boundaries inside CVS, so it's not necessarily 1::1). But individual pieces are often much bigger than 10.5GB fear, indeed. covers his eyes, ears, and mouth. "there's no problem here" #svn Freenode A not-so-typical day at #svn. Hmmmppf... sussman is not here? What is #svn without sussman? It's like a cat without a moustache! :-) heh maybe we need a stand-in-sussman..! dionisos: a sussman-bot yea. working on *that* though... is now known as sussman-temp has joined #svn gives channel operator status to sussman sussman-temp: oops! is now known as dionisos hi sussman #svn Freenode Murder and Mayhem at #svn - The Subversion Channel. feels a desire for mayhem and murder of the Subversion developers rindolf: don't do this! we still need them darix: heh heh right. Of course, I am a Subversion developer, too. gives rindolf a sword do harakiri then ... that keeps us enough other devs ;p and you killed at least one of them ;) feels a desire for mayhem and murder of darix takes darix' sword and uses it to stab darix YAY! #svn Freenode All alone on #svn - The Subversion Channel. Hi all sussman: here? kfogel: here? fitz: here? Am I alone in the world? Have everyone abandoned me? Why doesn't anybody answer? starts to cry here stops crying hugs sussman whispers to him "I'm so glad you're back" #svn Freenode "If only SVN were Arch" on #svn - The Subversion Channel. Oh! Subversion, Subversion! If only you were Arch! hands svk to rindolf whispers "Or BitKeeper!" and runs. #svn Freenode "Real IDE" on #svn - The Subversion Channel. you need to use gdb in a real IDE, like emacs, or ddd. something that shows a pointer moving down your code. sussman: IDEs are for wimps... ;-) Seriously, sometimes invoking gdb is very quick and I'm accustomed to it. ddd is quite on the heavy side. "Programming happens in the mind, not in the IDE" --- Gil'ad Ben-Yossef So does debugging. sure. why would you possibly want to see all your code at once? it's much easier to see single lines printed out and try to remember what the function looks like. :-) ed, anyone? ;-) "I wanna use ex and I wanna use vee (=vi). Ed is dead, ed is dead, baby!" "Ed is for people who can *remember* what they're working on." remembers when he could remember what he was working on. Sometimes. #svn Freenode Bot playing at #svn - the Subversion Channel. ayita: learn ayita=ayita? I'll try to remember 'ayita?' about 'ayita'. ayita? ayita? no infinite loop, unfortunately. lol :-) subversion? subversion is a Next-Generation Open Source Version Control System (with a space at the beginning) sander tried her to get to leave when she first came in :-) giving here some \n string ayita: learn subversion=subversion is a Next-Generation Open Source Version Control System rindolf: you're not authorised to tell me that. kills dionisos #svn Freenode "Write an Info-bot" on #svn - The Subversion Channel. What should I do now? Use printf's? Talking about retro. no. write an info-bot. a gdb info-bot? sure. #svn Freenode Physical violence at #svn - The Subversion Channel. How can I best install Subversion on a Debian Stable system? rindolf: Presumably with apt. breser: subversion is not present in Debian Stable, and installing it from testing or unstable may require upgrading half if not more of the system. And I know what apt is. kicks breser so he won't give obvious but useless answers like Microsoft support persons. kicks rindolf so he won't ask vague questions that result in obvious but useless responses when he already knows the obvious but useless response is the obvious response to give. kicks breser for no reason at all. #svn Freenode Looking for sussman, at #svn, the Subversion Channel. sussman's been idle for 15 minutes. And I need to talk to him. sussman, oh sussman! Where art thou, sussman? Or is it "wherefore"? The shakespearian version is "wherefore", IIRC Where have all the sussmans gone? (Long time passing) Where have all the sussmans gone? (Long time ago) Where have all the sussmans gone? They've been idle, everyone. When will they ever learn? When will they ever learn? #svn Freenode Discussing the beauties of men adopting their wife's maiden name on on #svn - The sussman^W Subversion channel. sussman: people mock your name (= Ben Collins-Sussman) here: http://tinyurl.com/5vl69 sussman: and it's the only comments I got regarding the interview except for kfogel's rindolf: I replied. sussman: reloading sussman: 220$ for a last name change? Holy virgin mother of god! why? sussman: but if you were Ben Collins, people would have confused you with BenC. And no-one will understand who "sussman" is. sussman: $220 is a lot of money, especially in Israel. Horrible sexist discrimination, really. I had to pay $400 and swear in front of a judge, to get my name changed. My wife had to do nothing. She just showed her marriage license, and instantly got a new ID. sussman: another fortune cookie coming right up. #svn Freenode #svn's tribute to "Finding Nemo" oooooooooooooooooooooh noooooooooooooo darix: what's wrong? What's wrooooooooooooooooooooooooooong rindolf: sussman is gone. I can speak whale. Caaaaaaaaaan yoooooooouuuuuuu speaaaaaaaakkkkkkkk whaaaaaaaaaaaale? ha ha #svn Freenode Baby talk at Freenode's #svn, the Subversion Channel. sussman: have your wife and you decided what your newborn is going to be called? "Baby Sussman" Sussbaby Sussman 2.0 minisuss Suss SFF 5|_|55m/-\n Sussman baby edition Ben Mini? Will he have a last name of Collins-Sussman as well, or just Sussman? rindolf: he may have a completely different last name! Why limit the selection so? ;) heh no names yet yes, twill be collins-sussman Collman or Susslis. #svn Freenode PEBKAC - Freenode #svn - The Subversion channel. Success!!! I discovered another copy-and-paste-bug and now everything is working. In Perl. Problem between the keyboard and the chair. The most common sort _My_ keyboard and chair. I stand by my statement *grin* That's the problem with starting from a code that does things differently, and does more. It's a good thing I wrote this test case. #svn Freenode "Who killed ayita?" on Freenode #svn, The Subversion Channel. ayita: kfogel interview is http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/27/1555228 Thanks! ayita: good girl. ayita: kfogel interview? ayita: kfogel interview? smells ayita timing out ayita: index kfogel.* you killed her it seems darix: LOL It's not nice to hurt people Oh my god, they killed ayita! hiiiiiiiiiidey ho! quickly finds someone else to blame. a scape-goat! sussman: you'll be the ideal scape-goat for the murder of ayita. I think you'd be good at the 'werewolf' game "You know it would be the easiest thing to blame it on Nanny." "Let's do it then." #svn Freenode Freenode #svn's Quest for the Holy Grail sussman: don't say the BK-word... dude, no one mentioned bk until you did clkao: <sussman> just like most of the decentralized SCMs, like arch, BitKeeper, etc. "We are the knights who say "BitKeeper"." "We are NO LONGER the knights who say "BitKeeper". We are the knights who say "git git git cogito Linus!". danderson: "Subversion!". "Bleh, that's one word that the knights who say "git git git cogito Linus!" cannot hear." "What is your name?" "What is your quest?" "What is the asymptotic complexity of the Subversion delta algorithm?" "Which one? vdelta or xdelta?" what do you mean, xdelta or vdelta? "I don't know!" falls into the chasm "How come you know so much about delta algorithms? - Well, you have to know these things when you're a committer." #svn Freenode Versioning 3-D Objects

Hi,

a friend of mine runs a small restaurant and wants to professionalize his IT. Our idea was to store everything in subversion (we use Debian with svn 1.3). We had absolutely no problems with the 2D objects, converting recipes to ASCII and storing them was peanuts. However the 3D objects are giving us a headache - the forks and knifes are stuck in the keyboard, we even destroyed a floppy drive trying to read an apple.

Any ideas how we can still use SVN to store everything?

Konrad Rosenbaum on the Subversion Users' mailing list
http://svn.haxx.se/users/archive-2006-04/0008.shtml
1 April 2006

Konrad Rosenbaum Post to svn-users on 1 April 2006 Slashdot Comment about Subversion vs. Git

Linus isn't saying that CVS and Subversion have fixable bugs or missing features. It's not about the code.

He is saying that they solve the wrong problem. The Subversion team wants to solve Problem A, and Linus wants to solve Problem B. No amount of code will turn the solution to Problem A into a solution for Problem B. Bothering the Subversion team with code addressing Problem B will only irritate them, since they're working on Problem A.

The right way to handle differing goals is to start a different project. That's what he did.

Don't be confused by the labels. Source Code Management means different things to different people, and there isn't always much overlap in how each person defines it. Ships and airplanes are both 'vehicles', but that doesn't mean that a few changes will turn one to the other.

zzatz Slashdot Comment Subversion: Linus and Keywords Substitution

Regarding keyword substitution: It turns out that Linus thinks it's a
horrible idea: http://kerneltrap.org/mailarchive/git/2006/10/9/223932

His argument is that it may destroy binary files.

This is bogus since keyword-substitution is *off* by default. It will occur only for files that were explicitly marked for substitution. For example in subversion:

svn propset svn:keywords "Id Author Revision" *.h *.c

As a substitute (pun intended) for the lack in this feature he gives a hand crafted, build system dependent, manual (i.e: error prone) method.

What a lame excuse.

Oron Peled Post to the Haifa Linux Club mailing list Dazjorz on bzr

bzr is slower than Subversion in combination with SourceForge.

Dazjorz (17-September-2009)

Dazjorz Chat with Shlomi Fish sussman on git #1

Computer Scientists love git, not just because it comes first alphabetically, but because it's stupid. Everyone else loves git because it's GIT!

"Git is the stupid content tracker."

And git doesn't waste space on my Newton MessagePad. Just look:

-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 24 Oct 29 2009 /bin/git
-rwxr-xr-t 4 root 1310720 Jan 1 2005 /usr/bin/hg
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root 5.89824e37 Oct 22 2001 /usr/local/subversion/bin/svn

Of course, on the system *I* administrate, hg is symlinked to git. svn has been replaced by a shell script which 1) Generates a syslog message at level LOG_EMERG; 2) reduces the user's disk quota by 10GB; and 3) RUNS GIT!!!!!!

"Git is the stupid content tracker."

Ben Collins-Sussman Git, man! man git sussman on git #2

"Git is the stupid content tracker."

Git, the greatest WYGIWYG revision control system of all.

GIT IS THE TRUE PATH TO NIRVANA! GIT HAS BEEN THE CHOICE OF EDUCATED AND IGNORANT ALIKE FOR CENTURIES! GIT WILL NOT CORRUPT YOUR PRECIOUS BODILY FLUIDS!! GIT IS THE STUPID CONTENT TRACKER! GIT MAKES THE SUN SHINE AND THE BIRDS SING AND THE GRASS GREEN!! GIT WAS HANDED DOWN TO US FROM LINUS UPON THE MOUNTAIN, AND LINUX USERS SHALL NOT WORSHIP ANY OTHER TRACKER!

When I use a version control system, I don't want eight extra MEGABYTES of worthless HTTP protocol support. I just want to GIT on with my coding! I don't want to subvert away or mercurialize! Those aren't even WORDS!!! GIT! GIT! GIT IS THE STUPID!!!

CONTENT TRACKER.

When Linus, in his ever-present omnipotence, needed to base his patch juggling habits on existing tools, did he mimic svn? No. Hg? Surely you jest. He created the most karmic version tracker of all. The stupid one.

Git is for those who can *remember* what project they are working on. If you are an idiot, you should use subversion. If you are subversive, you should not be mercurial. If you use GIT, you are on THE PATH TO REDEMPTION. THE SO-CALLED "FRIENDLY" SCM SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN PLACED HERE BY GIT TO TEMPT THE FAITHLESS. DO NOT GIVE IN!!! THE MIGHTY LINUS HAS SPOKEN!!!

Ben Collins-Sussman Git, man! man git